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Author(s): Jacques Handschin
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Source: Musica Disciplina, Vol. 4, Fasc. 1 (1950), pp. 3-42
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JACQUES HANDSCHIN
III, 1866, 158 ff., in a paper
im Timaeos
des Piaton ?,
A. Boeckh, Kleine
REFERENCES:
Schriften
?Ueber
der Weltseele
die Bildung
first published
J. H. Vincent
A.
in 1807.
et extraits
in Notices
et autres
th?que du Roi
? Sur le
musical
diagramme
von Thimus,
A.
Die
des manuscrits
XVI,
bibloth?ques,
de Platon ?.
harmonikale
Symbolik
de
2,
la Biblio
176 ff.,
1847,
des Altertums,
I
1868,
156 ff. and II 210 ft.
und Aristoteles,
bei Plato
J. Stenzel, Zahl und Gestalt
ences are made
to the second edition,
1933).
A. E. Taylor,
J. Handschin,
on Plato's Timaeus,
A Commentary
Der Toncharakter,
1948, 360 ff.
the tone B natural
the sake of simplicity
B flat by b, F sharp by fis and E flat by es.
(refer
136 ff.
1928,
For
NOTE:
1924
is indicated
by h,
I.
INTRODUCTION
is one
Timaeus
of
by Plato
dialogues
as reflected by this dialogue,
I think
the figure of Plato,
to that which
is current.
correspond
him
as a thinker
phenomena,
of pathetic
whose
pessimism
here may be described
as it necessarily
must,
power.
by a Divine
ble signs that, even
that
it is order
Timaeus,
56 C,
idealism
One
takes
a hostile
as perceived
despising
(429-347 B. C).
does not exactly
to look upon
is accustomed
latest
the
beauty
is absent
as one
to
the
In fact,
where
by
in Plato's
the world
of
view
the senses.
last dialogues.
His
of
objectivity
contemplative
a world
order
of
conception
this order
to us
is revealed
it seems
by
as disorder,
in a higher
sense, not yet disclosed
that
68 B-D,
87 C, is confident
this
But
of
touch
attitude
which
leads,
established
so many
we must
percepti
assume
to us;
also Plato
planning
order,
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ratios, must
by numerical
symbolized
has always been
the property
of thin
to verify
them. This
conviction
?
as
idealism
for
the so-called
kers representing
?,
example,
objective
? as it can not be other
but
it
is
found
and
Leibniz;
Johannes Erigena
ascribe that
thinkers to whom we should not especially
wise ? also with
of the Objective
of correlation
the problem
variety of thought, because
and
and it can not be
in thinking
importance
a r?le to a mind
ours.
assigning
transcending
it was the merit
to have done
of J. Stenzel
justice to that
is of first
the Subjective
without
answered
1 think
of
stage
in Plato's
evolution
Socratic
of moral
idea
believed
induce
him
suffice
to
the
for
suffice
that a constitution
?
superior
in the
that
turned to the problem
in this case the cognition
would
? Good
the Idea to man would
demonstrating
to realize
it. Hereupon
he
(in his Republic)
at
that
first
also
of human
community,
believing
and
soul
a
with
(yet in conformity
the
first sought
its law by himself
establishes
which
and therefore
idea), Plato
objective
human
by his last dialogues
is unfortunately
lost).
of the individual,
freedom
thought
presented
about the Good, which
lecture
(and by his famous
from the
Starting
the
Idea
realization
of
of
is relative
by the Constitution)
(represented
afterwards
the Good,
recognizing
that a ruler would
and
in value
be required
last (in Timaeus
to alter the law. At
by his insight could be qualified
a world
idea
ruled by a Divine
to
of
the
advanced
Plato
itself)
who
creator,
of the ruler of the state. In this process of evo
the prototype
he being
to archaic currents of Greek
think
returned
and more
lution Plato more
As
we
Plato's
add,
may
a way
idea
survived
in Byzantium
Christian
doctrine,
and
Christian
doctrine.
in
transcendental
in
the
idea
is really
the
king-philosopher
between
govern
the
the
state,
must
according
himself
before
of
1917
in Russia
in
of
course
without
any
association
be
derived
until
1912,
that
earthly
the
inherent
in
to Republic,
Christ.
In
the
the
?
idea
Plato
prostrate
dialogue
be understood
and hailed
just ruler will
always
by the members
he has even
the prophetic
vision
of the just who,
and, as is known,
many
pains,
Viewed
will
be
crucified.
from
our
side
Plato
is, of
course,
a
it
a
is reflected
a
exists,
further,
? who
are
that
of
after
thinker
with
from
to
just
is not
the
has
with
connection
There
of
Byzantine
same
heavenly
where
Republic
philosopher-king.
the situation
and
the
must
power
in Plato's
already
and
reflexion
f.).
rule
until
present
abnegation,
a
rule
even
assumption
realm
of
parallel
in China
The
as
and
of worldly
and
so
in doing
(Stenzel p. Ill
of Old Orient;
ing, going back even to the thought
Hellenistic
he at the same time anticipated
syncretism
the
at all
the
monarch
sure
that
community
suffered
having
restorative
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character.
humanism,
as
or,
This
to overcome
What
he
taking
this word
tries
Protagoras
said,
idea was
in a way
and
in its narrow
present
to surpass
is the idea
?
deifying
humanity
also
measure
in Socrates,
the idea of a subjectively
of
?
sense of
? the
man
the
making
D
Good;
all
of
?.
goods
yet connected
in so far Plato,
with
in his
higher
perceived
to the
Socrates
afterwards
he
early dialogues,
opposed
sophists. But
transcended
the Socratic point of view; he noted even with
some
plea
sure the strict regulation,
to which
in Egypt,
human
affairs were
sub
mitted on a religious basis ? and among these affairs was music.
matters
in the present
What
connection
with
is that, in accordance
assume
and music
the conceptions
of late Plato, mathematics
necessarily
? or
?
a great
in philosophical
they reassume
thought:
importance
in an
number
being by itself symbol of order and sound
connecting
the
way the outer world with
the sensuous.
the rational with
unique
ceptual,
the physical with
the per
It is indeed a peculiarity
of the
inner,
of sound
that those sound relations
natural,
appear most
perception
or fundamental,
to the simplest
that correspond
obvious
arithmetical
the character
sounds determine
of the
between
(and relations
between
by us). Of course this correspondence
single sound as perceived
the character
of sound relations
and the form of numerical
is
ratios
ratios
independent
as Ptolemy
of
on
is realized
we
fact whether
do
or do
not
know
those
ratios;
I 10): our perception
is just
(Harmonics
crying out ?,
of the fifth as soon as the ratio 3:2
with
the consonance
?
said
it meets
when
the
the monochord.
It is therefore
are
exemplifications
we may add,
demonstrations
logical that mathematical
in the later works
found especially
and musical
of
Plato;
and,
the historian who devoted
it is also logical that J. Stenzel,
a
to this phase of Plato's
dealt so much with
thought
special attention,
of Plato; it is true he did not concern himself
the mathematical
conceptions
but both fields are closely
Plato's
with
ideas about music,
connected
It is clear that an investigation
of these mathematical
in themselves.
in Plato
is as important
passages
and music.
of mathematics
the history
and musical
as for
In this paper we
points.
as well
where a scale, musical
obscure
present many
Timaeus
(35 A ff.)
We
must
note
this
side
of
des
id?es
et des
late
Plato
in La
that
Plato's
even
before
Stenzel
L.
I have
in mind
his
thinking.
nombres
d'apr?s
pens?e
grecque
him,
still
that passage
in
as cosmical,
is expounded.
deal with
had
dissertation
thrown
La
much
light
upon
th?orie
that excellent
(1908) and
les origines
de l'esprit
soientifiqae,
Avist?te
et
Robin
in understanding
But
these passages
platonicienne
devoted
chapter
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thought
through a fable. He tells
the World
Soul by taking the Indivisible
the Creator made
or the Other and mixing
them,
the Same, and the Divisible
does, Plato
As he often
us
that God
or
substance
into a Third
What
Perhaps
Eleatics
who
be meant
saw
the
with
nection
yielded
? unlimited
to the
Two
the
to
see
how
those
notions
I
shall
only
note
here
the
Other
at
represents
musical
in
his
turn:
he
the
is not
the Aristoxenian
of
view
of musical
the
Same
with
the
same
tone
different
?
posed
system
The
the whole.
on
the
words,
from
the
of
also
gives
the
tone
and
with
proposed
of
the
two
opposed
the
gives
we
could
Having
again mixed
the
or
second,
harmony
27)
third
cycle
of
1 and
(Ch.
which
the
to
prominence
further
twelfth
or fifth,
system)
the
octave
means
basis
tone
of
degrees
fifths ?.
in which
the World
Soul
organization.
this part,
He
or
first
one
the
but
in
ancient
tone
in
From
the One
so
as
far
of
repetition
in
the
since all the
variety,
this interval
is juxta
principles
and
essence;
then
be
the
in
par
that
Plato,
to parallel
propose
the
is the
by
interval.
the
with
c
the Other
would
hold
the
by
to
tendencies
which
Pythagorean
two primary
three into one
of
number
theme
is to build
the double
the
the
the Other
109-136,
Timaeus
or One
?
I invite
the
2:1
the
? One
the
interpreted.
there are com
Thus
Same
of
con
be
may
to
then,
subjected
the whole,
then
of
they
analogies.
the
the
?, of which
=
and
to mathematical
a
variation
mixed
these
is also
octave
Platonic
?
there
essence
in every
reality,
that
=
Same
reconciliation
and
how
to which
question,
was
triple
relation
psychology
octave
and
by
or fifth
whereas
the twelfth
quality,
tone qualities
result from
the different
in other
Creator
(and,
Plato
of
and
15 f.).
p.
(see below,
in Taylor's
p.
commentary,
musical
the
the
and
tonal
also
meant
according
a
time
in
exist
a beautiful
namely,
our
elsewhere
contained
identifies
psychology,
place,
in Plato
commentary
interval,
same
the
remember
interpreted
yielding
only
the point
and
that
both
This
melody.
there
2,
with
been
that
essence,
the opposition
also
survey
have
that
must
to determine.
thought:
immovable
change.
Probably
? limit ? and
? unlimited
of
occurs
learned
Plutarch
a musical
opposition
or Divisible
and
so easy
is not
prec?ateme
and
unchangeable
?. We
assumed
number
?.
excellence
first
have
substances
of
opposition
? which
to consult
primary
currents
motion
but
nothing
reader
who
main
one
Pythagorean
the ? limited
the
mentators
two
everywhere
saw
two
those
by
the
blends
who
Heraclitus
mixture
substance.
may
Plato
his
unfolds
the principle
a third,
into
then
took
and
the
one
a half
of
the
latter
part of
of the
the triple of the first, then the double
of the second,
the third, the octuple of the first, and 27 times the first. Thus
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seven
the
to each other
in these ratios:
1 2 3 4 9 8 27;
parts were
are taken to represent musical
of course,
these numbers
or more
are taken as tone
the
ratios
between
numbers
exactly,
as a matter
tones,
intervals.
As we
see, these numbers
stand
for the first
three powers of two (2,
the first
2 and 3 being
8) and for those of three (3, 9 and 27),
reason why
and odd numbers
The
respectively.
far as the third power and not farther is, as it has been
4 and
of
even
Plato
as
goes
that
assumed,
the limit of corporal
the third power and the third dimension
represent
a
as
must
commentator
has
the
soul
into bodies
or,
said,
things
proceed
to that question
that
below,
p. 31). Stenzel
explains
(we shall return
? does not
harmony
shall see that it really
?musical
but we
seven numbers
need
more
than
needs
more.
Yet
four powers of 2 and
or not Plato himself
include
three
powers
(p. 103),
in fact already Plato's
as 1 is
3 respectively,
equal
have
been
conscious
to 2? and
to 3?; whether
of
of the scale.
for the musical
it is important
interpretation
our
tone
in
been
indicated,
system (and,
constituting
already
this fact,
As has
may
the octave
between
every tone system) we must
distinguish
sense that
or
1
and
in
fifth
3:
this
2)
(ratios 3:
(ratio 2:1) and the twelfth
since the
the former
is the constitutive
the latter and not
interval,
in reality,
or multiplication
all kinds of tone qua
by juxtaposition
al
is in this respect meaningless,
the octave
producing
?
or
in different
site ?. Yet we must
the same quality
ways
position
means
we
our
as
too
series
of
not proceed
see,
hurriedly:
juxtaposition
fifth
produces
lities, whereas
the octave
thrice
and
thrice
or descending
is by ascending
We
shall note that our
octave
and
the
5:2,
existence
the
fourth
of
but whether
twelfth,
consecutive
and
the whole
tones
tone
9:8.
of those noted,
composed
But we must
and a fourth.
be more
like
juxtaposition
a scale,
i. e., a
yet
other
than
the
the fifth
yield
(or numbers)
can also establish
the
We
8:3
intervals
would
the
do not yet know.
intervals
series includes
we
twelfth:
4:3
of an octave
posed
which
the
now
series
e. g., com
being,
turn to something
composed
of
?
neigh
? tones.
bouring
that the
by stating
step in this direction
? intervals,
? and the ?
i.
e., the
up
triple
?
?.
He does not say expressly
the twelfth by two means
we have to interpose within
can
no
that
doubt
be
but there
achieves
Plato
Creator
filled
octaves
and
which means,
either
of
these
mean;
none
the
first
the
? double
ratios
of Plato's
or
intervals
commentators
the arithmetical
has
understood
and
harmonica!
it otherwise.
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the
arithmetical
outer
terms
taken
both
form
the harmonical
whereas
(or,
mean
first outer
term be
the mean
is to the difference
mean
must
to the second,
is that which
quantitatively,
to
conform
the mean
between
is equidistant
their sum),
the condition
as the difference
is the case, e. g., in the series 6: 4: 3).
octaves and twelfths
in these
By dividing
in
it is half
the
two ways,
the
the first and
between
and
that
second
we
(which
with
obtain
tones distant
tones respectively
from the outer
by
8:
of
four
famous
numbers wrhich com
6, the
composite
(12: 9:
the twelfth
in itself the series' 4: 3: 2 and 6: 4: 3), and within
the octave
two
a fourth
bines
tone by a fifth (6: 4: 3: 2, this being
of 3: 2: 1 and 6: 3: 2). As we see, both double divisions
as to tone distance
of the ratios):
(or as to the magnitude
two tones distant
a combination
are symmetrical
in either case
fourth
from each outward
the
respectively)
smaller
and
interval
is in
larger
interval
the
the middle
at both
tone
(whole
sides (fourth
and
the octaves
and
and
fifth
respectively).
to every one
In applying
this double
division
the twelfths present
in the primary
series, we obtain:
13^ 18 27
/ 1y8 1V2 22 */?3 4 4J4 5%6 0
I
1_I
1
1
U
M_!
i_L
in
series are written
of the primary
(the numbers
some of the numbers
in
different
been
obtained
have
is the arithmetical
which
We
could
with
6.
Musically
tone
qualities
easily
do
mean
of 2 and
away with
fractions
1 and
of
course
as, e. g., VA
ways,
the harmonic
by multiplying
feature of our
the main
Of
italics).
of 3 and
1.
series
the whole
series, although
speaking
is
fact
that
it
includes
the
five different
by Plato,
expressed
powers
we may multiply
of 3 (which holds good whether
it with 6 or not), that
is, five different
degrees of the series of twelfths or fifths, or five diffe
not
rent
18 and 4 H
and
51/t
as 27 and 13J4
to 3s, 9 and
(characters),
correspond
to 38, 3 and 6 to 3\ 1 and 2 and 4 and 8 to 3?, 1 */ and 2
%
to 3~\ Here
we may
constitute
the pentatonic
this basis,
remember
that five
tone qualities,
built
up on
the fourth
(e. g. c d e g a).
have noted,
the primary
series contained
the fifth,
already
and the whole
the octave and the twelfth; and
tone, besides
the double
division
ther such
intervals.
As
we
constitutive
applied
Among
in the building
musical
to the octave
series
and
the
twelfth
fur
produces
whose r?le is
these it is especially
the fourth
of a scale, and that for the simple
reason
that
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tone ? distance
it is, as concerns
DISCIPLINA
?, the least of consonant
intervals
(or simple
tone, we proceed
if, starting
ratios),
? the whole
?
?. Also 9:8 is
tone which
represents,
steps
by
important
?
?
al
as to distance,
the normal
needed;
step
being present
precisely
divi
series, it is further produced
by the double
ready in the primary
is first attained
that which
from one
as 12: 9: 8: 6 and,
sion of octave
it is so often
defined
sense, we
in the latter
as the difference
between
fifth
understand
and
why
Secon
fourth.
even the (minor)
third, 5 x/3: 4 V2 being
equal
darily, we have obtained
fourths 5x/3:4
to 32: 27; as we see, it is the result of the two overlapping
and 6:4 V2 (or, e. g., d a and e h)f but we do not need it as a constitutive
we
should
or adding
obtained
the intervals
element.
By juxtaposing
of
the octaves
with
it filled
soul
substance
and
was
twelfths,
9:8,
and
the mixture
of
the
used
fourths;
filled
the space
and
27:
Thus
tors have
out by brackets. As has
interfere with each other;
and 6:4^,
i. e.,
is a large space not filled in by fourths,
outer
or
this
and
and
27
the figures 27
between
9;
8,
hand
there
included
we
understand
been
faced
with
agreeing
tone
whole
with
fourths
the
all
of the three octaves
lying outside
them.
18 with a fourth between
twelfth,
by
are marked
the fourths
p. 8, where
figures
been said, two of these fourths, 5 y3:4
the other
this
up.
the Creator
above
on
division
that his series is already
conti
the impression
conveys
by fourths (4:3); but that is not the case, as we see by the
divided
nuously
the
that
saying
Plato
intervals,
By
connection.
having realized the double
tone interval
took the whole
the 4: 3, i. e., the
all
in this
the Creator
continues:
Plato
Now
not matter
too does
that
but
still others,
get
contains
8:1,
with
which
to
form
a definite
trying
13V2:9
commenta
Plato's
the difficulties
when
the fifths
idea
of
a
scale
their task easier by disre
They made
established
statement
about a frame of fourths,
his
instructions.
Plato's
implicit
in his commentary
tone intervals.
Proclus
in the whole
filling
in
in the face of Plato's
lightly when,
(194 F) is really taking matters
?
or
to
in
fill
in
he
of
fourth
the fourths,
struction
every
filling
speaks
garding
before
fifth?;
that
the more
is so much
at variance
tone
the whole
that when
explicitly
?
?
or diatonic
mains
limma
the
half-tone.
says
commentators
have
been
because
in the modern
periodicity.
But
perhaps
sense a scale
in the ancient
with
is
On
as
Plato,
inserted
the other
hand
to skip the frame
is more or less determined
conception
the division
latter
there
twice,
induced
Greek
the
re
modern
of" fourths
by octave
by fourths
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was
At any rate Boeckh
has not dared
to disregard
that
preeminent.
statement
of Plato; he was not only a philologist
but also well acquaint
as
ed with Greek musical
we
shall see, a series of
has,
theory.
Taylor
but
fourths,
Yet
and here,
definite
of
not
it does
the question
already,
scale with
accord with
of establishing
begins our doubt
its details,
Plato's
division.
a frame of fourths
whether
Plato
or he merely
stated
is not
had
really
the general
easily solved
a
in mind
principles
one.
I ask the reader to look at the diagram
For vizualizing
the situation
row. This
illustrates
this
paper and, first, at the uppermost
accompanying
just the series of numbers
given
of our octaves
double
partition
stinguish
8, 9, 27)
within
this
series
and
those which
above,
and
which
twelfths.
the result
presents
We
ought
always
of
the
to di
between
the primary
numbers
(1, 2, 3, 4,
are the result of division
1
2 3/3, 4 Vi,
y2,
7?
(1
5% 6,13 5a, 18).
The
thorny question
and 6:4 V2. Are we to conserve
of
and
them,
those
if so, which?
We
fourths
of
being
b and
filled
overlapping
which,
metabolon),
the tones
produce
mind
such a concrete
would
is that
first
not
be
h.
in harmony
different octaves of our
it would
and therefore
both,
with
the
interfering
has done,
fourths 5*/a:4
or to drop one
that Plato had
imagine
?
? scale
the Greek
modulating
could
in similarly
Yet
detail
of
as Boeckh
I am not
and
this:
there
(e. g.,
at all
(systema
as a b c d and h c d e),
sure that Plato had in
is even
another
shall
see, b and
as we
in mind
detail
which
h coexist
in
to several of the possible
scale according
variants,
not seem logical to have them, apart from that,
in the same octave
and produced
that ar
However,
by another method.
fourths conclusively,
any more
gument does not rule out the overlapping
than the argument
in
accordance
with
Proclus,
urged by Taylor
(p. 142)
i. e., that
?
mean
the
a-b,
the apotome;
as to this I should observe
? scale does not
the coexistence
of b and h in a ?modulating
that both tones are concretely
connected.
I think we must
say mo
apotome
while Plato
that
the coexistence
of b and h as neighbours
would
produce
? b-h as distinct
? diatonic
> half-tone
from the normal
does
not mention
that we shall drop one of the competing
destly
sake ?f simplicity;
and in this case I think it will
5y,:4,
it is not
as the
always
in the present
latter
fits better
in the octave
fourths
be
only
rather
for
the
than
6:4^
and ?
though
periodicity;
realized
in music
and we may
perhaps not fully realize it
case ? octave
is
in the idea of a scale.
inherent
periodicity
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consequence
in
framework.
the
support
In
In
lost
have
its position
as a
of
point
to
I am already hesitating
this point
I ought
whether
an
at
at
of
the good intention
illustration,
arriving
I go on and now it is the question
Plato may have meant,
at
fact
But with
continue.
least, of what
of having
fourths
and
diagram,
are
4 lA will
everywhere.
this time at lows
I ask the reader to look at our
Again
I, II and III where some of the possibilities
outlined.
most
to that of the uppermost
closely adapted
disposition
row
row would be I- In fact here all the tones of the uppermost
(except
as
to
that
is
4
their
rank
of
ed
say they are
support,
H) preserve
points
The
I).
intervals
defining
tones.
of
fourths.
Yet
20 ]4 and
12 are added
to the Platonic
this case beginning
from 6, there would
always be fourths se
a whole
means
we
this
that
this
should
obtain within
tone;
by
In
parated
fifth
octave periodicity.
Or, to put it more
periodicity,
replacing
octave
out
be
ruled
as in
would
from
8 onwards,
precisely,
periodicity
?
?
the
normal
have to be 10 */3:8.
way the next fourth after 8:6 would
space
In consequence
the octave repetitions
of 5x/3, i. e., the tones 10a/3 and
21 y3, are lacking; or to put it still otherwise,
the fourth 12:9 appears as
an octave
of 5y3:4 shifted by a whole
tone; 18:13 Vi is in the
repetition
same
when
to
8:6; 27:20 M is shifted by one whole
position
compared
tone
in relation
5 ya:
4. From
to 12:9 and,
therefore,
by
two whole
tones
to
in relation
the musical
or
point of view, looking at the tone qualities
of 3 present, we see there are not less than six, which
is pre
a consequence
of the fact that octave repetition
is so largely dis
the powers
cisely
the tones 1, 2, 4 and 8 mean
regarded:
3> 6 and
means
12 mean
we may note
with Plato
importance
3\
special
where he
3 *; 9 and
Here
18 mean
3?; r/?
32;
2 a/3 and 5 */, mean
3*;
13 H
3 s; 20 %
and
27 mean
1 y2,
that
the sixth power of 3, 729, assumes a
connection
587 D),
(Republic
the ideal period of solar revolution
(729 days
in another
takes it to represent
and nights ?
364 JAwhole days instead of ca. 365 y3, a magnitude
already
?
known at that epoch); but of course I should not take this as a ?
proof
we
must
that
follow this method,
I think, there is nothing
to be
because,
proved
here.
the fourth 12:9 is, as in case I, shifted by a whole
tone
II). Here
relation to the octave repetition
of 5 V3:4, but the shifting goes no farther,
the fourth
to 12:9.
to 18:13^ and
24:18 is contiguous
In fact the only difference
between
therefore
I and
an octave
II is that
in
repetition
in the latter
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tetrachord
the first
from
to the second,
is joined
tone. The
effect of this
left
it by a whole
from
separated
octave periodicity
is less violated
tones are added which were not
as
are
they
One
of
octave
in
the
tones
relation,
4 octaves
and a fifth
we may
nection
of
cosmic
Perhaps
of 27:1
was
row,
may
that
series,
24,
tone.
been
left
outside
range
of
the
the
is
series
not
does
in
a
and
fill out
the
typical
the Proslambanomenos
in a way
to be
considered
one
sixth; in this con
major
sometimes
24 and 1 are given as limits
XIII
II 1, cf Aristotle
6).
Metaphysics
because
a note,
was
there
tonal
being
that
case, again, two
12 and 24, but
substantially
has
27,
the
harmony
(Macrobius
the fact that this disposition
tolerable
as
appear
of 4 octaves
instead
remember
seemed
Greeks
in the uppermost
they
of
is, precisely,
In our
the primary
last note being
?. The
instead
in case I.
than
of
? skeleton
13
outside
range
of
two octave-scale
or
structure
the
the whole
? added
by
the
?, which
tone.
a whole
4 and 8 mean
powers of 3, since 1, 2,
gives five different
3 \ 9 and 18
3 ?, 1y3, 2 y, and 5 y, mean
31, 1 V2, 3, 6 and 12 mean
is
tone
of
the number
3*. Thus
mean
qualities
3a, and 13 54 means
This
series
same
are
the same
lity denoted
one
38 quality
(apart from different
more
by 31 has two
tones
row) and even the
(uppermost
as the tone
octave
localisation,
12 and
representatives,
24,
and
qua
the
less, 27)
the terms of
yet more
freely with
to the ? law ? of octave periodicity
In dealing
III).
row we can concede
In this case we
goes
series
as in the Platonic
the
on within
the
8 exactly
after
continue
three
octaves
2:1,
the same kind
4:2
8:4.
and
the uppermost
its full
of division
That
would
sway.
which
mean
8 and
the next octave, then, between
first 16 which
gives
interpolating
In
16 the number
21 y?.
16, the numbers
10a/3 and 12, and beyond
i. e.,
to 21 y8,
extend
of the octave would
this case the uniform
division
to 4 octaves
remain
would
a fourth;
and
outside,
the
extreme
as it is separated
tone
of
the primary
series, 27,
tones from 21 y?.
two whole
by
is that no
less than four tones,
arrangement
to the Platonic
be added
21 x/? would
series in the
tones
Two
of
the
the
series, 9 and 27,
among
primary
The
disadvantage
10y?
12, 16 and
of
this
row.
uppermost
as well as two further tones contained
would
be dropped,
not
most
18:1354 would
row, 13^ and 18, and the fourth
From
the musical
be only
three,
point
of view,
as 3?, 3'1 and
looking
31 occur
in the upper
be preserved.
at the tone
there would
qualities,
in the different
3? being
octaves,
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3 * by 3, 6 and
filled
which
only
2 a/? 5 y?
10a/3 and
211/,,
to determine
of the
which
hopeless
a
can
in mind.
that
be
gap
Leaving
he puts down
is just characteristic
of his attitude:
care how
it will be carried
not much
through.
it is useless
Plato
in different
a principle
even
Plato
1y?
12.
I think
Now
three methods
16, 31 by
1, 2> 4, 8 and
and
ways
does
fails
to give
and
had
has
to the difference
between
2 and 3
prominence
to
for the octave? corresponding
2, serves
essential,
is musically
for delimiting
spaces
the
in the scale, whereas
twelfth
or
its octave
and ever
to 3, produces
different
the fifth, corresponding
equivalent,
more different
tone qualities.
Nor does Plato notice
that these two consti
are in some way antagonistic
tutive principles
of scale construction
or,
as never will a power of 2 coincide with one of 3
at least, irreductible,
and
therefore
a tone
never will
from
coincide with one resulting
?
comma
although,
?)
thagorean
from octave juxtaposition
resulting
of fifths (hence
the juxtaposition
always be able to take over
to be scarcely distinguishable.
will
exactly
the ? Py
a tone
of course, in practical perception
the value of another one so near to it as
III.
STAGE
THIRD
II or
we
III,
have
not
as
yet
a scale.
tell us
that
whole
(9:8), every fourth
to 256:243 or 28:36.
tone
equal
Now
and
the Creator
III.
we may
Whichever
the fable continues.
But
filled
all
As
we
have
choose
intimated,
of the variants
I,
on
to
Plato
goes
the
(the 4:3 intervals) with
two of these and a rest interval,
the fourths
containing
to fill
for a survey we ought
take much
But as that would
out
all
time, we
the fourths
in row
can restrict
ourselves
I, II
in
every case to the first and the last fourth.
become
1:1y, will
fourth
The
1:% 7<?: 4/3 and the fourth
I).
?
the ? diatonic
is precisely
That
become
27.
20 J4:27 will
n/?: 72?/3,:m/m:
?
?,
if we take the word
tetrachord
form of the fourth or the diatonic
a half
c diatonic
? to mean
tone
tones.
It is true
after every two or three whole
interposed
to
the smallest number,
9:8 has to be apposed
doubt whether
being
we might
as we have
just done,
the combined
use
or to the greatest
of whole
which
would
and half
produce,
tones,
respectively,
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But
that does not matter
because,
*/ : w/?: *%?: 1 and 27: 24: e,/3: %
as we shall see, we are faced with
two reciprocal methods
of computing,
as
one
of which
takes
numbers
frequencies
and
lengths;
tone
beside
the one
limit
the
Wxiile
numuers;
(vibration
1:ys:
in this aspect
the other takes them as string
"y^: */?
as
1
on
same
basis
of
the
result
will yield the
string lengths
4/8: M/w: **/u?
of Plato
on the basis of frequencies,
In fact the wording
and vice-versa.
one
locate
whole
a third possibility
which would
does not even exclude
of
fourth
another
beside
the other
again we see that Plato
that having filled out all
of fraction numbers
than before;
the half-tone
thus putting
in the middle;
It is clear
enter into concrete details.
limit,
not
does
and
the fourths
obtain a greater variety
can again rule out by multiplication.
In this case the first tetrachord would
we
this we
and
II).
last 18: sl/4: ?/?:
be as in case I, and
the
24.
In this case
the first tetrachord will be again as in case I, and
III).
the last 16: 18: 81/<:*/?
But now we are faced with
the question
which
is practically
fore
most.
Before being able to represent
our numbers
we
by sound-names
must
determine
string lengths.
with another.
a
matter
All
commentators,
of
from
have
decided
But
it
course.
was
who
Plutarch,
they are to mean
is known,
these two
of Thimus,
exception
as
As
whether
is
a very
in
are
Boeckh
onwards,
favour
of
a
not
or relative
frequencies
in reverse proportion
one
relative
matter
but
lengths,
of
course,
with
the
this
taking
as,
e.
g.,
numbers
Platonist,
good
supposes
frequency
in his commentary
in Timaeus
67 B ascribes to
(Ch. 18) and Plato himself
the low tone the lesser rapidity and consequently
the smaller number.
(It is
true Plato speaks of
not rapidity of vibration,
cf.
rapidity of locomotion,
Der
Toncharakter
illustrative
ment
p.
136 and
speaking;
in either
I
think
that
what
did matter
139-141; that may
case the
question
be an error or a kind of
is of ? quantity
of move
?).
Again
open:
question
tones and numbers,
whether
the reader would
proportionals,
literally with
major
ciprocity
or
was
it
is rather
tone
in
the
for him was
to let the
style of Plato
the correspondence
between
relations
numerical
choose
one
and
or
a secondary
question.
to the compass of his scale, because
to him
regard
is a compass unheard
of in Greek musical
of numbers, we may yet remember
the notion
sixth
relations;
and,
those reverse
among
can we take him
Nor
the other
plus a
As to re
4 octaves
theory.
of the ? unlimited
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to
in Plato, and which,
according
a
Stenzel (34, 51 f. and. 59 f.), would
indepen
signify the Two as
principle
as
or
it
taken
is
dent of whether
divider, or, in other words,
multiplier
be the ? un
or negative
in this case it would
as positive
indeed,
power;
the Greek word
?, but with
defined Two ? rather than the ? unlimited
above
?, mentioned
Two
are compatible.
both meanings
525 D f-) says about
(Republic
the One,
five
(As
is known,
the
idea of
to
is a tendency
character of number,
this there
In all
on
lay stress more on the formal than
as
a
rather
to take number
principle
quantity.
extreme
Plato
instead of fractioning
numbers:
rather multiply
it, or in other words,
taken
rather say that a definite magnitude,
of saying, e. g.> 3/>, they
times, will be equal to three units.
instead
also what
fractional
would
mathematicians
to remember
have
We
the material
than
as
continuous
the measure
concrete
of
its
has found
quantity
and
created by Leibniz;
calculus
with differential
representation
to musical
in regard
was
himself
thinker
this great
who,
yet it
of integer numbers
the importance
most
insisted upon
decidedly
tones,
and,
the first prime numbers).
especially,
crave for concretization
Yet as modern
and, in this case,
people we
?
we have to choose.
choose
We
for the time being and with
all ne
?
reserve
to
order
in
be
more
in
accordance
with
cessary
string lengths,
and we follow them also in their
of modern
the majority
commentators;
two
of inserting
the whole
tone, that is to say, we juxtapose
tones by starting from the smaller number which
to
is, according
tone of the fourth;
first assumption,
in consequence
the higher
the
method
whole
our
rest interval
?
c Dorian
at the lower end, producing
the
?
tetrachord
from the ? Lydian
(different
? which has
at the higher end and the ? Phrygian
(the half-tone) will
species of diatonic
the half-tone
it in the middle ? it is true, these names
which
quite
But
has
be placed
as applied
to tetrachords
are not
authentic).
Now
at
here
we must
last
we
can
associate
yet
remember
with
our
numbers
that we
should
tone
favourite
take
them
not,
letters.
as
is
as absolute
of pitch measured
usual,
degrees
by vibration
frequencies
a
as
or
tone
but
relative
relations
of
which,
second,
system
by
per
pitches
even
our tone
can be based on any concrete pitch.
In reality
principle,
letters had
originally
this meaning
of instrumental
by the development
relative (the musically
real) meaning
concrete
(the musically
abstract).
?
in the ?Gregorian
system, and only
was the
music
and ensemble
playing
of the tone
letters
superseded
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if we
Therefore
take on
the monochord
string length as
1
the number
part as representing
and a major
sixth ?, the question
27 and its twenty seventh
representing
? which
gives an interval of 4 octaves
we
"
d
whether
and
Fx
answer
shall
reason
as Gx
and
may
cause
some
interested
in the concrete
in the old,
them
taking
in the old
to
hesitation.
course,
a
choice
is
as much
take
tones
the
form,
terms ot
In
systemaccidentals
of the series of fifths)
(i. e., the degrees
?
?
a
so
as
that
centre
series of five tones will
d
seven
there be
our
the
a series of
taken
Of
? ascertain
c gdae,
', or
in the modern
sense, would
?
Gregorian
thus: ? avoid
'
must
We
determine
?
theory ?, it may be stated
? or, in ternis of musical
psychology:
a
and
C?
the other?
must
as
tone qua
them
and dispose
possible
lities involved
with
', or
of the tone
relative
one denomination
for prefering
and
the criterion which
there exists,
the same as that observed
?musical
' '
e
pitch
and that therefore we do not use the letters
as starting
point,
fixed sense. But
a reason
tones
and
are not
that we
the whole
two
these
'
h
', etc.,
denote
', or A
?7
fcgdaeh,
the latter
the
form,
a series of nine
case
that b and fis
fis (supposing
? ex
? chromatic
the others, not mere
are real qualities
with
coexisting
?
?
an
odd
It is true, this supposes
tensions or
modulating
features).
the centre
for in the case of an even number
number of tone qualities,
the
form,
b f c gdae
in
h
actually
minant
d and g, or d and a; but
two qualities,
say between
an
terms
have always been predo
of
odd number
systems with
have
others (hexatonic,
and we can even doubt whether
octatonic)
existed
in the full
fall betwreen
would
Now
Boeckh
to x/? of
the
sense.
has
the
taken
the
tone,
highest
one
diezeugmenon?
length,
that would mean
that the tone corresponding
scription;
than two octaves below
string is G *, a tone located more
of our piano.
this series by
We
shall
In order
three octaves,
now
on
these premises.
I invert the order
III). The
c'"
I
d'"
e
and
G3
replacing
kind of
I hope
the reader will
scale our
'
should
depths
by G and
three
the whole
tone
shift
e" ".
rows will
forbear with
me
produce
if this time
for the sake of convenience.
third
disposition
i
e'"
2 f"
would
9 e' 8 f
d'
I
2.
such
to
the lowest
we
extreme
see what
G 27 AHcdefgahc'
i
I
h"
to avoid
corresponding
'
in our tran
is e
which
to be Nete
produce
this
scale:
a' h'
c" d"
e"
g'
i_!_i
g'"
"
a'"
h
li
4 f" g"
J_i_i
'
c"99
d""e""
Pagina 18
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)There
are 34 tones.
stated
above.
As we
the criterion
see, the letters adopted agree with
to survey the situation more easily, we must always
In order
It is clear that
look at the tone qualities
(or the powers of 3) involved.
as contained
in the frame of fourths
of qualities
the number
(according
by the filling out of the fourths,
scheme) is augmented
in them are themselves degrees of the series of fifths (or
*
3>and */* being
3 divided
by 26
powers of 3), % being 32 divided by 2
sense
is taken
for in his
that evident,
%
Indeed, Plato does not make
as
difference
the
it
1
where
8
9
stands
4
3
2
series
from the primary
27,
it from
4:8 and the none 4:9 (or we could extract
the octave
between
the
of
division
octave, where
the group 6: 8: 9: 12 resulting from the double
to row III of our
as the tones
inserted
it represents
the difference
between
the fourth
6:8 and
6:9); and
as
/?. But
the fifth
twice
the result of taking
tone a/u is, in Plato's words,
im
it was
as structures,
of numbers
were
the Greeks
always conceiving
or
for Plato not to take 9 as 3a, and therefore as a continuation
possible
of one of his primary principles
a further outgrowth
3), and
(the number
to 34 (cf. what w? shall
tone a/w as corresponding
similarly not to take the
Even
?
?
series of fifths of A. von Thimus).
say below, p. 30, about the nude
the third degree
in mind
exceeding
if Plato did not really have
powers
the
the solid, see above, p. 7), he must have thought
(this degree representing
Now
comparing
of linking
groups of three powers.
together consecutive
?
?
of the
those
with
skeleton
in
the
contained
the three tone qualities
we see that the former have been augmented
by four.
scale obtained,
*
There were 3* (the tone h), 3? (e) and 3 (a); to them are now added 32 (d),
as they are here by headgcf,
3* (g), 3* (c) and 3B (/). Represented
stated
to the criterion
conform
these seven qualities
d as centre,
with
?. The
? or ?
fact that
? diatonism
That
is precisely
above.
heptatonism
form of the skele
in the corresponding
was safeguarded
octave periodicity
ton, is now reflected by the fact that the filling in of the other tones produ
ces
no
contradiction
between
different
octaves,
or
no
? accidentals
?.
As
h
the filling of the skeleton
representation,
and
c
d
tones
a (=3a) by the
)
g(=3a)
(=34),
(=3 "), / (-3
(=3-*), e, (==3y
not be the proper
to
would
that
31
Yet
36.
the
series
would
produce
for symmetry; from this point
to our desire
corresponding
representation
to d
3B to 3" - 3R, assigning
shift the series from 3'1
of view we must
terms (3** and 3 *).
the r?le of centre (3c) and to h and / that of extreme
as
and in
Here we take the scale as a form and its components
qualities,
concerns
this
the mathematical
sense we must
no
longer
cling
to the unilateral,
genetic
procedure
Pagina 19
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)by which we formerly
= 3? and 27 =
by 1
=
3 \ c=
II)- Row II of
scale:
following
G 27 AB
l
h"
c'"
derived
a series whose
d"'
g=
our
scheme would,
c'"2
S"1, d
on
d' 9 e' 8 f
f"
g'
'"
a
g'"
3 ?, a =
=
3-,
cd esfg abc'
i l_i
i
e -
3\
a' h'
c"
a
the
produce
4 /"
d"e"
3
g"
3
a"
i_!_l
j_i
h"'
d"9
c""
e""l.
i
the same ones.
are 34 tones, but not
3a, h =
the above premises,
l_
I_i_i
there
Again
a whole
and
19
extreme
terms were marked
case
of frequency
numbers ? which
33. In the
is,
? the series will have to be inverted thus:
probable
after all, more
/
?TIMAEUS ? SCALE
In taking
the letters
this scale as
do
adopted
es
h
to
tone
from
series of
not agree with
qualities
with d as centre,
and these, disposed
symmetrically
comprises nine degrees,
would have to be designated
by symbols ranging from fis to b; the lowest
"
'. To
tone would have be denoted
the to
by D and the highest by h
?
nes contained
in the skeleton which,
in this case, are five (31 = fis, 3 =
'=
*=
=
c,
h, 3a = e, 3a = a, 38
g, 3
d), again four have been added: 3
*=
=
3
to
structure
b. Again,
the musical
in order
/ and 37
agree with
not
in single octaves,
our criterion.
The
we
see
that
of
the scale, the proper mathematical
expression will have to be shifted
37 to 3~4
from 3"1
3 *, and consequently
3"*, 3? and 34 will respectively
to
case
of frequencies
the series would
fis, d and 6. Yet in the
correspond
be
inverted:
fc =
3-4,/
3-',
The
breach
of octave
=
c=3-2,
g
=
3-\
?=
3',
e =
3 ', h =
3-
/w
=
34
in the skeleton of this
periodicity,
present
already
it is illustrated
and con
clearly as a contradiction;
creted
appears now
by the fact that in one octave
namic)
Mese
scale,
3?, a.=
there is / and in the other fis, in one
h and in the other b. We
could call it, in the terms of Cleonides
(see Der
a
Toncharakter
three Mesai?:
the (dy
p. 352),
system with
?composite
which
in our
presented
lower region. Wet
with
normally
corresponds
series by e in the higher,
to the a
quality
a in the middle
would
be
re
and d in the
?
can not really say that the three ? diatonic
systems,
are
a
nine
nine
because
a, e and d as Mese,
tone-system,
composing
Pagina 20
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)tones are never
in one octave and they are rather an assembly of
present
?
octaves. Or to put it otherwise,
it is a ?modulating
system,
disparate
one
to
the
In
this
other.
from
and modulating
twice, always
heptatonic
the
we have a reason for changing
sense it could be doubted
whether
?
?
to
from h
of the whole
es, asymmetrical,
b, symme
fis
transcription
a
But
whole.
not
form
do
that
it
could
be
trical; indeed,
they
argued
it
is logical
from one system to another,
even if modulating,
i. e., passing
?.
?
accidentals
without
written
one
is
in
the centre,
which
to have that
I). Given
d es f g a b c'd'
G 27 As Be
"
g
9 e'
J_! I_I J_I_
" '
e'"2
d
J_IJ_i
3 h" c999
a"
our first
the same premises,
always
8 f
g'
a'
"
'
/'"
g
skeleton
would
produce:
h'
c'-'
d"
e"
h99'
c""
a999
4 f"
d'"f
l_
_|j_i_I
e""
i
1.
There
are 34 tones
as a whole, we see
again the scale
? an even
to ten tone qualities
from h to as corresponds
the series
that
number.
It may
either
case between
as before.
therefore
Taking
in
in two ways,
the center falling
as ranging
if it is written
from fis to es,
shifted
be
two notes:
d and g, if from eis to bf the center would be
tone would
between d and a; in the former case the lowest and the highest
99
" '
'. (Among
these two represen
be D and h
9, in the latter A and fis
tations we should perhaps prefer the former, because the Greek conception
the center would
be between
more
? flats
?
?
as
was
inclined
their
? scale which
?
not / and fis, but b and
connects
modulating
in
we see how the breach of the octave periodicity,
present
Again
? skeleton
?,
is
towards
to
equivalent
inner
than
?,
sharps
contradiction.
by
exemplified
in
Whereas
the
h).
the
skeleto
to the transcription
nie stage we had 3'1 (fis according
by us),
preferred
4
?
a
now to them are added 36 (c),
and
3
3*
3*
3
3
(g),
(d)
(e),
(a),
(A),
8
*
this we shall again shift
with
3 (f), 37 (b) and 3 (es). In accordance
3=
= es to
=
d and 39
from 3~l
the mathematical
fis> 3
representation
?
can even say that the proper represen
3-* = fis, 3 = d and 35 = es. We
tation would
? between
be
minus
to give
five
four ? as power
four ?, to d
exponent,
one
minus
but
? between
and
even
the tone which
we
to fis not
and minus
?minus
to es ? between
four
and five ?; nay,
have marked
all,
not
all
by d is, after
is rather theoretical,
as in fact the ten qualities
zero ?, and
this
d but
? between
a and
d ?, etc. Yet
are not
operating
Pagina 21
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)?TIMAEUS ? SCALE
Here we have, in the
together (and in so far they are not real qualities).
a ?
terms of Cleonides,
four Mesai
?, the Mese
system with
composite
e
a
to
to
in the high region and
d and g in the low
being shifted from
we have preferred).
if we assume
Again,
transcription
be inverted:
instead of string lengths? the order would
to the
(according
frequencies
/w
=
=
S"6, b
es =
=
3"3, c =3"2,
3"4,/
=
g
=
S'\d
a =
3?,
ft -
t -3*f
3\
3s,
34.
is still a method
There
by
yet to add an observationwithout
fill out the fourths diatonically
compromising
But we have
we
which
could
As we saw, the
unity of diatonicism).
(and, consequently,
periodicity
of seven diffe
i. e., the surpassing of the number
breach of diatonicism,
in case III there
rent tones in I and II, was caused by the fact that, while
? e and e ?
to
octave
octave
were only two fourths repeated
from
(say h
were
limited by three different
tones, in case II there were
a) and these
tones being always
of limiting
four, and in case I even five (the number
these
All
of
one
the
than
number
fourths, when juxta
fourths).
greater by
octave
in
posed
one
can
row,
be
e.
denominated,
as
g.,
beyond
going
g c. It is clear that when
are
filled
the
if
fourths
of
diatonicism
breach
ft e
two
e a ?
?
fourths
the breach
e. g.,
if having
to the
in an uniform manner:
examples, or if they would
should
and
to note
is interesting
not always been in agreement
shall
open between
frequency
has been
Dorian
numbers,
and Lydian.
has
that which
a/u:
=
4/8
?, with
half
seems
and Psellus
Plutarch
who,
tetrachord
the most
c d e f or
commentators
? form,
commentators.
modern
Proclus
the Lydian
gahc).
is inherent
also
for the ?Dorian
in deciding
the case with
which
that
in this connection
see, Pseudo-Timaeus,
tary), precisely
of view (1: y8:
could
in the upper
to ano
the contradiction
It
as we
that we
and d g the ? Phrygian
give toad
to g c the ? Lydian
?, with half-tone
transferring
only mean
of disposition
in this case the uniformity
be repudiated.
idea of scale would
in general,
is
out
that would
such,
g
fourths different diatonic
forms,
by giving to the different
?
?
in
e and e a the Dorian
form with half-tone
given to h
the lower part, we
tone in the middle,
Yet
part.
ther plane:
?
d
result
the
? as in our
?
say, if they were all Dorian
previous
?
?
?
?. But it is understood
or all
be all
Lydian
Phrygian
avoid
?
ad
have
though
In fact,
leave
the question
as we have
said, supposes
commen
(see Ch.
natural
And
from
18 of his
the modern
still more
point
interesting,
Pagina 22
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)tells us
(Ch. 19) that other
in the middle.
tone
the half
with
the tetrachord
seems to be that one
the supposition
of
and that it is not a question
of fourth is uniformly
applied
an expedient
whe
Yet
diatonicism
for safeguarding
throughout.
that
It is understood
species
finding
ther the breach
ned
used
people
that
in all
this
of diatonicism
may
? division
?
the
Phrygian
in a special manner
appeals
? method
the fourth by the ? Dorian
be accepted or not, it can be maintai
in the
of fourth, with
the half-tone
middle,
to our
sense of
we
two
add
up
are, as to
By
logic.
tones which
filling
? or
? character
at
their position
within
the series of fifths, wholly
= 3a and
31 would be joined
side of the two tones given (e. g., e and a
= 3"* and
= 3"1,
and the c Ly
of course, frequencies),
g
by /
supposing,
to the given notes two notes at the other
dian ? tetrachord means
adding
a
side (e. g., g and c =
3_1and 3 would be joined by a = 3x fend h = 3 ")?'
to the Phrygian method,
both added notes are symme
whereas,
according
*
tones (e. g., to a = 3 and d = 3 ? there
trical on both sides of the given
at c right ? from a, and c = 3"",
would
be added h = 3a, two degrees
?
c
two degrees at
In short, whereas by filling out the fourth
left
from d).
their
one
we displace
by the Dorian method
as 1 should say, to the ?masculine
? side,
?
?
?
to
or to the
tetrachord
feminine
right
not
centre
the
is
shifted.
method
Phrygian
Of
fourths,
course
and
that holds
therefore
e99
fis99
whether
A B c d e
I_I
g99
? tone
qualities,
by using
the
two, three or more
good also when we combine
to fill out our frame of fourths
I should prefer
tetrachord,
by the Phrygian
case I we should obtain:
C 27 DEsFG
of our group to ? left ? or,
and in the case of the Lydian
the centre
taken
from row I, II, or from
ey fis'
f g 9 a 8 h c' d'
III.
In
a'4h'c'd"3
g
I_I I_II_i i_!_I
a99
2
h99
c999
d999
e999
fis999
g99'
1.
a'"
I _i i_ i i
or,
a'"
in case of frequency
27
g999
a* g' f
Il
es'
fis99'
d'
e999
numbers:
d999
c9'9
c' 4 bag
3 fesdc
I
III
h99
a99
g99
e99
f99
2 BAGFEsDCL
II
I
d99
Pagina 23
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)cTIMAEUS?
In case
SCALE
23
II:
fis' g' a' 4 ft' c'
C27DEFGABcdefg9aShc'd'e9
d'
'
3
1_!_' !_I 1_1
!_j_1
e>
fis"
h"
g"a"2
J_1_I
or,
in assuming
e
27 a
f"
e"
c"'d'"
e'"
c
c"b'
In case
III:
g999
fis
e
a
ft
g
!_i_i
a9 g'\f
a
c
3 c' b a g 2/
I_I_I 1lj_l1
_1
e* d'
a'
g'
1
e9"
a,,ft"c,,,d,,2
f"
numbers:
k9"
e9"
f"9
g9"
d"9
n
a
1_I
e d cB A G
d"
h'c"
9g
o
1_
1.
4 e" /f
g"
3
I_1_[
a'"
hf"
c"9
ft"
g"'
or, in case of frequency
27 a9"
1.
numbers:
d e f g ah c'9 d' S e' f
I 1
J_1_[_
F 27 G A He
a'"
I_L
frequency
d"
fis9"
1.
c""d""
g"
f"
e"
9 d"
8 c"
not
explain
than
further
another.
why
At
a"
1 l_!_
I_!_
h'
a9 g9 f
e9 d'4c'
i
After
what
h aSgfedZcHAGFEDl.
_
1
has
been
said
one method
I have
adopted
rate
I repeat that, with
any
Plato's
illustrating
thought
to
himself.
presented
The
taken
1
1_
only
in both
thing
1_1
1_I
I
above,
shall
rather
of
transcription
the six series noted?
and not
we must
still
of deciding
it is only a question
what he must have
re
note
connection
III,
in
this
a disadvantage:
presents
significations,
tone, 9, stands not as a ? frame ? tone delimiting
as a tone included
in a tetrachord;
that is the price
all
In looking again at our diagram
periodicity.
in the Platonic
the fourths contained
division
all
the Platonic
octave
exception
of
points
the fourth
of
support
6:4 V2 and
stand
the
one
is that
of
of
the primary
a tetrachord, but only
of
for the advantage
we see that in I and II
are made
as such
again
tone 41/*), which
use
of and
(of course with
is not the case
Pagina 24
Bekijk in PDF(opent in een nieuw venster)in III ?
the difference
I and II being
between
only that the primary tone 27
and not in II. The
form I, which
as delimiting
is in I, employed
tone,
octave
so largely
periodicity
replaces
the
like
our
Summarizing
we
argument,
tented
himself
with
twelfth,
has
offended
is that
if we
followed
fourths
said,
to
filled
be
fifths
rather
Boeckh
not
is,
is presupposed.
His
disposition
ferences:
1) he
includes
does
not
present
the
16; why?
for obtaining,
the
tone
also
to agree
been
said
the
with
above
?
?
second
tetrachord
all
and
therefore
agreement
modern
We
should
have,
b ', if we
united
series
whole
In
the
same,
to
shifted
The
by
brackets
fis
laid
some
is
by
fourths
exception.
161, but
such
a division
but
with
two
51/3:
4;
2)
161,
but
from
it,
puts
in
if
e with
lower.
a
see
We
from
commentary
on
Timaeus
h
is that
a division
there
384
from
it must
be
noted
'
a
with
the
such
as has
5
within
contained
supposes
avoid
to
19) we
if we
of
differing
number
to es,
they must,
come
down
the
interlocutors
as has
already
of 34),
string
10368,
course,
lengths,
as he,
in
like
Boeckh,
? tetrachord.
? Dorian
above
(p.
'
d
', and
a/3:4;
is virtually
Of
fractions);
the
dif
includes
first produces,
Plato
to
he
he
commentators.
ancient
(or
that
true
is
one
with
interferes
again
obtains
tones
36
(instead
order
and
It
in fact he wishes
1, but
The
1 to 27
that
II,
from
in
one
the
p.
to one
?
Boeckh
that
convinced
range
to Timaeus,
to
intended
dialogue,
whereas
some
the
of
primary
forming
the
e and
inserted
Xhe
transposed
notes
remains
been
be
observed,
- b.
earliest
forgery
by
16) which
they
is attributed
known,
a
then,
scale
as
evident
the opinion
his
opposed
Boeckh
he
of
and
nine;
?
243/la:
this way
been
authors,
octaves
three
forthwith.
not made
is also
authors,
octave
see
is descending
ancient
most
fourth
shall
chromatically
authors,
series
his
with
the
ol
(256:243),
row
on
scheme
frame
series
with
concurrently
says,
(12: "/,:
modern
p.
as we
as he
18).
(*ya: ***/M: a87/aa8:
stress has
a number
upon which
nearly
to
our
of
that
in his
fourths
by
present
like
6:4 y2
fourth
on
a
to establish
neglected
scheme
as
same
is the
a tone
the
in his
fourths
Pseudo-Timaeus,
of
a new
inserted
have
commentators
their
division
(p. 11),
consequence
consequence
the limits of
transgress
was aware of all the con
Commentators
Some
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earliest
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itself:
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Proclus
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good
Plato's
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Psychogony
Proclus'
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line),
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tone
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octave
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again
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the Neoplatonist
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2048
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symmetry
scale.
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of
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strikes
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quotes
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separated
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octave
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Piatonism
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27
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view
out
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continued
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commentary
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highest.
out
384
can
string
that
from
between
at
method
series
contained
means
or
lowest
(the
Pseudo-Timaeus
of
series
octave
in
9
as
i. e.,
filled
having
he
show
say whether
in his
occurring
of
the
not
does
him
in Proclus'
two
octaves
the
plau
arrange
divided
as
of
the
is
some
beginning
see
that
there
octaves
by
the
fifth
Proclus
had
already
on
equal
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The
the
for
symmetry
of
Psellus'
construction
lengths,
the
upper
octaves
string
Psellus
have
may
of
Proclus,
dian
?.
the
of
Psellus
as
present
tetrachords
of
Proclus
(and
contains
from
notes
and
it
system),
but
with
one
within
to modern
As
to h.
b
?
Mesai
should
also
be
musical
theory.
He
as
has,
of
it
is not
logic,
although
by
Plato.
His
meaning,
in
still,
it
is
evidently
the
dance
with
Plato's
division
at
looking
fourths
first
octave,
and
1111/,
he doubles
once
more
for
taken
and
the
fifth
again
vided
the
only
fifths
within
case
of
and
again
the
and
rather
theoretical
these
of
sult
would
be
But
in
realization
of
the
not
aware
scale
and
it
Although
von
Thimus,
himself
on
the
by
nucleus
Of
octave
octave.
as
the
interval
1:3
produces
twice
tone
out.
of
his
idea
to
the
terms
as
that
or
the
twelfth.
(or powers
of
is
Plato's
a
of
of
consistent.
eight
octaves
which
3) are
omitted.
It
shall
now
which
is
as
in
3
to
the
first
the
the modern
case
from
re
es
fis.
to
ranging
on
is represented
that
the
explanation
and
because
interesting
idea
the
notes
is curious
our
of
The
intervenes
thinker
itself
as
whole
in
consider
in
but
the
different
9
result
lengths.
Here
two
from
takes
On
ranging
with
the
in the
constructive,
string
system
distinguished
story
3,
pro
as
obtained
(chromaticism
powers
is not
we
wrong,
often
or
Vincent
supposes
' '
to 11
notes
', with
of
interpretation.
continuation
rather
sector
qualities
he
from
Greek
Boeckh's
because
a
subjects
Vincent
the
that Vincent
is
Psellus,
limma,
those
obtaining
of
he
which
and
a
some
D
(or modulating)
in
which
qualities
from
extending
instruction
course,
course
Of
1:1^:2:3,
to Plato's
see
the
them
which
to 27. We
in
doubles
Then
for
tripled
9
occurs
apotome
is manifestly
A.
a
different
therefore
tone
of
octave,
third
are
from
own.
the
filled
?
as
his
and
ten
it was
the
second
whole
terms
those
twelfth
of
I when
was
out with
twelve
idea
row
of
the
out
filled
terms
eight
and he
leaving
are
two
obtained
tones
terms,
183,
and
tones
39
to h;
way
accor
independently,
Having
Proclus
are
? conjunct
proceeds
Plato.
by
given
in
strictly
with
first
a
presented
devoid
as
to understand;
octave
in accordance
there
b
he
(p.
of Greek
twelfths
difficult
but
division
from
first
then
is rather
alterna
is not
which
and
fourths
the
the
the
but
are filled
Ly
octaves.
connoisseur
contrarily
from
There
subdivides
of
?
Vincent
Boeckh.
octaves
of
axe
h
in different
now,
out
case
? or
Pseudo-Timaeus),
b and
and
well
sense).
is,
the
theory
He
for obtaining
the
own
is formulatel,
Plato
the
and
it
the
in
according
fourth;
octave
to
adapted
fourth;
twelfth
tripled
referred
division
to
as
the
filling
this
located
the way
of
whether
it
subdivided
once
and
latter
the
terms
us
?Dorian
to
to
the
show
of
are
his
scale,
to
either
the
they
in the normal
lJ/?:2
terms for filling
these
obtaining
be
already
commentator
l:iys:lj4:2,
frame
supposing
added
in
Psellus
(incomplete)
supposing
in
we
re
should
3) which
a ?
of Cleonides,
system
composite
?
?
the Greek
metabolon
systema
to
thorough
in
yet
powers
that
the Timaeus
following.
as
the
the
to
terms
have
as a
adduced
scheme
in
with
we
to
(or
correspond
while
that,
by or
frequencies;
the
is,
fact
lower
the
the
is pre-Byzantine).
is nothing
notes
difference
the
and
supposed
of
That
commentators
176 ff.)
without
that
would
octave,
or
are
different
eight
in
also
h
There
lengths
string
the
system
(modulating
tive
of
that
ranging
two
reverse.
the
as Alexandrine
significant,
appears
contain
will
be
thought
clear
As
with
it will
numbers
frequency
that
be
this may
and
fifth,
29
p.
Vincent
given
bases
he
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Plato,
after
a rest
every
one
with
cosmology.
been
of
interval
remember
associated
with
music
and
geometry,
which
astronomy,
the mixture
structure
the
Greek
a
circle;
and
constituted
used
Chi
letter
other
that
thus
he
produced
we
see,
the
series
1 2
the
seven
stance
had
planets
and
division
of
I
outer,
the
then
to
their
distance
the Moon
and
already
clear
Plato's
rows
these
Thimus
the
to
from
But
statement,
the
in
from
the
two
strips
8 and
other
as
1 3 9
27,
the
split
(as
the
orbits
and
that
earth,
of
inner
intervals
being
does
fails
Same
triple
Thimus
he
the
in
he
case
the
starts
not
di
This
Saturn.
to realize
of
agree
(II
double
the
just mentioned,
putting
and
completing
both
by
and
he
them
by
this way:
13/x y, %
? y
7
y*
crosswise
the
applies
multiplication,
to
and
He
y? y. y.
crosswise
conferred
the
27
Boeckh.
by
y. y. y,
To
he
of
play),
of
as
into
them
inner,
these
according
case
of
nature
and
again
whole
the
unsplit
into
that
says
the
up
the middle,
each
making
ari
the
double
comes
split
above
circle
3 9 27
1 2 4
Plato
Creator
outer
by
twelfth.
music,
rotating
distant
of
as
geometry,
then,
leaving
spite
diversified
strips
other
?
always
being
the middle
these
series
has
arithmetic,
the
putting
in
producing
astronomy
Quadrivium.
circles
the
numbers
latter
seven
as
them
the
the
and
fractional
reciprocal
the
3 4
In
157 ff.).
of
circle
interpreted
octave
one
down
of
disposed
as 1 in
correctly
ff.
213
taken
being
been
both
are,
thinking
seen),
bent
9:8,
musico-arithmetical
of
so-called
then
4:3 with
his
group:
have
(X), he
circles
sixfold;
the
(as we
up
the Other;
of
fourfold
strips,
one
the
the
two
in
making
?
movement
outer
on
been
and
mathematics;
the
connect
to
this method
in
results
longitudinally
in
and
on
goes
that
all
filled
Creator
there
later
having
the
256:243,
We
thmetic
the
that
said
having
obtaining
superposition
joins
series:
the
A y. y,
i
y, y. 7.
the diatonic
than
is nothing
other
system,
(heptatonic)
speaking,
can be
seven
tone qualities
in
fifths:
f c g d a e h, which
arranged
3
?
a
is indeed
the same
result of this system
3a. The
3a 3"1 3
3x 3
also by 3
symbolized
so nakedly.
state
it
not
but
Plato
does
as that of Plato's,
that is, gradation
fifths,
by
? to be divided
and
intervals
the ? double
These
are, in Thimus'
fifths
triple
opinion,
to 3 divided
is
fifth
the
and
by 2!), and
equal
harmonically
(because
arithmetically
sense
modern
in
the
chords
and
minor
this double
division
(cf. below,
gives major
out by 9: 8.
to be filled
would
have
chords
thirds
in
these
the
contained
p. 38); only
is
Thimus
numbers
but
is interesting
That
very
By assuming
frequency
aprioristic.
in this we can not wholly
but
all the other modern
at
with
commentators,
variance
again
which,
musically
or
series
che
of
of
disapprove
him.
Finally,
there
is
the
learned
commentary
the primary
series,
as
the
ancient
authors
10368,
Taylor
(p.
and
limmata
without
tical
and
harmonic
do,
proceeds
directly
keeping
to the
skeleton
partition.
The
143-145)
basis
on
given
in 384
to
by Taylor.
- 768 1152
realize
series
which
which
he
the
division
Plato
applies
transformed
Having
- 1536 - 3456
3072
by
derives
his
division
tones
whole
by
arithme
whole
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half
two
fourths
is
and
In
the middle.
the
whole
to
reason,
apparent
just
one
an
subjects
itself
orthodox
of
the
and
result
right,
should
as we
Again
when
polemizing
not
his
himself
avail
own
by
whole
tation,
as Plato
fourth
? and, moreover,
term
and
that
of
is attained
by
with
scheme
the
the
scheme.
He
explains
that
Proclus
was
induced
so far as it was
not
integer
does
not
put
been
said,
I think
Timaeus
(the
? or
Proclus
by
row
105947
as
numbers);
tone
terms
with
'
? but
? as
as
possible
within
form
is too confident
Taylor
interlocutor
in Plato's
when
in
to be
384
is a misinterpre
the multipied
terms
the
scale
to continue
supposing
I fear,
far
treatise.
36, Taylor
of Plato
(always
this,
Taylor's
Proclus'
between
the wording
Proclus'
Proclus,
by
contra
and
it
least
(the
exactly
sum
in
as
own;
to Pseudo-Timaeus
34
without
III
given
that
of
but
far
down
our
sum
by
? as
Plato
is his
was
possible
possible
it
the difference
arithmetically
as
whole
what
added
only
say
the
establish
i. e., pro
of
idea,
and
with
comparison
Pseudo-Timaeus,
384 to 10368.
After
all that has
? sure
that
the series
intended
either
the
with
admitting
does
from
expect,
assuming
tones
inserting
the first
starting
this
but
octave
the
down
extremes
practically
to
goes
within
juxtaposes
fourths,
on
then
it
as
frame
31
narrows
of
it coincides
in
but
a
has
Taylor
it
which
Taylor
the fourths
with
he
scale
even
periodicity,
is
not,
and
diatonic
of
tone.
determines
series,
does
idea
octave
three).
He
the
?TIMAEUS ? SCALE
consequence
to octave
disposition.
THE
the
from
he
is
is
dialogue)
his.
V. AN APPRECIATION OF PLATO'S STANDPOINT.
As we
have
is not
seen, Plato
about concrete details.
In
scrupulous
as if by
his octaves
and
imprecise way he behaves
dividing
twelfths harmonically
and arithmetically
he would
the
already possess
frame of a scale divided
as
and
to
the
out
of
the
fourths;
by
filling
a rather
he
fourths,
of 256:243.
says only
In reality
principles
of a musical
there must
that
two
be
it is not a scale which
scale,
and
these
intervals
Plato
of
9:8
one
and
sets forth but
only the
the
division
the
series
of
1)
the fourth, 2) diatonicism,
are:
and, especially,
agency of the consonance
this, of course, being not a feature proper
by
to every scale, but to the
least that which we consider
as normal
and which
the
? chroma
as such,
Greeks
use
considered
their
of
the
notwithstanding
?
tic ? and the ? enharmonic
intermediate
genus, with many
shades, all
normal
one:
of which
are probably
to be
(In fact it is testified
natural
and the most
that
As
go
observed
beyond
bably
sions,
his
the
at
above,
third
easy, and
p.
power
7,
the
is not
to geometrical
tendency
it can not
more
represent
that
as ?
? of diatonicism.
colourings
seemed to them the most
genus
it was the most
common).
interpretated
the diatonic
reason
seven
Plato's
why
primary
a musical
a
but
rather
symbolical
representation:
than
cube
numbers
as
this
or,
is
limited
in general,
numbers
one.
do
It
not
is pro
by three dimen
more
than num
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fourth
three
factors;
limited
than
the
arithmetical.
power
of 2 and
but
Plato
as
1 3 9 27
as we
observed
powers
of
noticed
that
Plato
constitutive
a way
further
powers
implicitly
(p.
his
presents
in
the
All
18).
is virtually
and
12
the
seven
terms
as put
a
form
Plato
3.
We
(fifth),
nor
qualities,
does
of
the
decisive
Three,
are
think,
a
sign
that
a
fable.
of
Plato
symmetry,
But
of
have
especially
the
by
2 and
We
and
27,
aesthetic
down
24).
p.
1?
other.
p.
above,
range
of
14 and
(see
16,
the
in reality,
four
include
further
had
the
r?le
of
which
the
latter
he
notice
that
they
appreciation
Three
the
and
(p. 27)
of
the
of
comparative
real musical
I
4 8
is a power
1 too
sake
the
triangle
(octave)
is,
for
is
the
within
included
probably
tone
that
representation
noticed
a
in
of
this
in
thought
In other
Two
aspect
antagonists
of Two,
further
number
engage
the
elements,
of
already
the
geometrical
that
side
not
does
foremost
in
are
3, as
the
have
octave,
and
one
(p. 7),
of
2 and
fourth
it off,
is in a way
have
stands
set
not
does
the
this
We
in
of
composed
more
also
of
his
that
observed
admitted
by
Plato
as
artist
who
proceeds
an
not
go on to concrete what he has said.
But this does not mean
that what he has said has no real
significance.
It is the principle
of a real scale, considered
as normal, which he
exposes,
and here he is right in establishing
first the general principle
of conson
Plato
words,
does
then a first division
ance,
is pentatonic
erected
(see
a frame
composed
inserting whole
tones.
Surely those were
established
long since.
had been
principles
of
scale
?
?
Plato
phantom
?) which
(? Hirngespinst
in a rather sensational
and mischie
asserted
a
at all
is, then, not
consonances
which,
curiously
enough,
to have
p. 8); then, in a leap, he purports
of fourths, and these fourths he divides
quite
above,
normally
by
construction
which
It
of primary
to us, as has been
presents
vous book, published
25 years ago, titled Plato und die sogenannten
Py
a
course
a
book
has
which
of
exerted
in
thagoreer:
(of course!)
great
and writers on music, nay even upon the flock,
fluence upon philosophers
to be cautious,
reputed
Indeed concreteness
of philologists.
is not reality:
in our modern
widespread
does not resort
of
to abstractions
sensuous
perception
is fundamental
which
era.
is not,
as we
act of
meaning
and because
a
of reason
That
our
is the correspondence
between
the object of this cognition
(a correspondence
appara
which
element
to him
are not,
creative
no
is present.
in which
tus of cognition
and
and does
exists by principle
he
so
but that is just the confusion
looks at the real world as it is, and
is not form, or the idea
like matter which
Plato
not
able
transcendent
he
thinks
exclude
error
in a given
to trace back
to anything
because
Precisely
being.
that idea and
reality
are
case); and
else than
that
this
the
is Plato's
in their
inner
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each other, his example of a scale, as his examples
he is, in
in general, can not be a mere ? phantom
?, contrived
arbitrarily;
of the 19th century.
other words, not a Kantian
most
in accordance
with
? is
as
of ? phantom
supported by another erroneous
allegation
to
echo: according
sertion which
also has (of course!) had a widespread
in its root because
scale (or quasi-scale) would be wrong
this the Timaeus
it bases its structure only upon octave and twelfth (or fifth) and not upon
The
? third, which
the ? natural
the major
presenting
of
music
in Western
prominent
?
?
theory confounds
phantom
can
be
stated generally.
what
? link between
? direct
as a consonance
Here
times.
later
what
is peculiar
The
* natural
by a third, does of course impose itself
culture as ours, that adheres so exclusively
? 13), but it plays only an
Even as concerns ourselves,
sweetness and
the apparent
that, notwithstanding
the fifth is yet far more constitutive
consonance,
of
must
remember,
1) the famous
experiments
we
fundamental;
C- Stumpf showing that even men
as one tone a simultaneous
mistake
I laid so much
conceived
fifth
culture
that in our perception
the dif
Toncharakter)
are
distinct
from
in
still
the
main
based
(as
pitch)
of tone quality
the series of fifths.
trarily
are naively more
apt to
than a third, 2) the fact (on which
of our
stress in Der
ferences
Waerden
a
of this new
attractiveness
glad
the
tones distant
in a musical
insignificant
it can be demonstrated
I am
of
author
to a given musical
? third, which
establishes
harmony
(cf. Der Toncharakter
r?le in broader musical
conceptions.
on
the
era and
to simultaneous
and
5, 4:5 re
prime number,
? the tone relations
so
implies the following
third and 5:6 the minor
to note
that
at
to
loose
seems
in Hermes,
LXXVIII,
last
the
view
the
?Timaeus
scale
see
in
a
by
book
that
its
credit,
as
I
1943.
But
on
the
other
paper
a
side
? is
arbi
quite
der
B. L. van
about
musical
to
the
havoc
caused
still
witness
bears
in
1947
which
by
appeared
psychology
to above
it repeat
the wrong
referred
not
does
the aforesaid
book:
assertions
only
we
it combines
as another
them
into a new
shall
forthwith
which
cite), but
(as well
?
as a consonance
was
a champion
of the third
error:
that Aristoxenus
(and as such
a
of
musical
of course ?
progress).
champion
The
an
other wanton
applause
and mistake
even more
assertion
of
unanimous,
its substance
and nature,
that book,
and one which
is this: Plato would
since he considers
and Aristoxenus
and only Aristotle
and not
sound.
character of musical
justice to the qualitative
as qualities,
3.
do violence
has
found
tomusic
tones as quantities
would have done
It seems
clear
that
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on a one-sided
or
of number,
depends mainly
conception
to grasp
the Greek
of it (without
which
rather on failure
conception
not
we too really can not do). In that larger sense number
measure
is
only
this assertion
of quantity,
the more
indicating
or less, but
of powers of 3 is, as we have
gradation
of sound.
with
the musical
quality
This
as
two
factors
of
is
conception
bers
geometrical
one,
e. g.,
ratio
superparticular
A
figures.
The
by
differing
history
?
?, i. e., form;
figure
really
with
their ears as the musical,
a
3, or
this
? oblong
12 =
3 x
num
to represent
tendency
? a number
of
composed
In
this
what
saw,
thus,
with
conception
that
we
is the
4, which
counterpart
like:
figures
produced
76 ff.).
1921,
I,
and
2 x
etc.);
ancient
Th.
j (cfr.
was
number
sense
Heath,
to
them
their
eyes,
they
they perceived
of tones.
Yet
relations
there was a restriction
qualitative
for visual
this craving
of
(see above, p. 31): numbers
representation
composed
not
factors
could
be
is
three
With
it
us,
represented
geometrically.
on
imposed
more
than
by
6 =
the
the
and
in correspondence
seen, precisely
called
Greeks
(3:2, 4:3,
mathematics
of Greek
in
reflected
further
a structure,
it indicates
survival
of
this
ancient
speak
?
of
square
? and
? cube
?
numbers.
In fact we
has
something
tone c distance
can not
fail
of a marvel:
to be
which
impressed by this correspondence
our
musical
of
only
pitch and
perception
in accordance with
(logarithmically)
frequen
not
? is
rigorously
but also the structure
cy numbers,
is reflected
in the musical
of the number,
character
apart from its magnitude,
of the tone, apart from its pitch; e. g.,
as fis)
two ? sharps ? would be written
the tone e (which in a system with
as remote from another
tone
is, as to its musical
quality,
precisely
given
the same system, as both are distant
to
from each other according
within
can say that the tone is symbolized by a
power of 3, as well as that it is itself the vivid symbol of the number
(as
to eventual
claims of the number Five to play a similar r?le as the Three,
the series of fifths.
cf. Der
In this sense we
Toncharakter,
? 13).
considers
the musical
just a slogan that Platonism
and that the qualitative
was
of
it
introduced
conception
and Aristoxenus.
We may just as well say the contrary:
It has become
quantitatively
by Aristotle
to the Platonic
according
(and the Pythagorean)
of the Greek conception
of number, musical
quality
of course, and that it is rather the Aristotelian
and
xenian
known
character
conception
that Aristotle
of number
and
view,
appears
in
tone
first
that
view
as a matter
the Aristo
especially
of quantitative
tendencies.
It is
that can be
suspected
more
and Aristoxenus,
than Plato,
laid stress on
as measure
homogeneous
and unlimitedly
of quantity,
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in correspondence
with
this
(see Stenzel 59); and it is exactly
to view musical
of numbers when
sounds as
they are inclined
conception
? the
a
course ?
of
continuous
of
exponents
gradation
pitch gradation
sense. Now
this gradation
is akin
in the proper
rather than as qualities
we
to
note
that
Yet
of
to one of intensity and, therefore,
ought
quantity.
compatible
was
Aristotle
only
and
developed
somewhat
initiator
the
emphasized
contradictory
of
such
by Aristoxenus.
as a musical
standpoint
interesting
subject of study.
sense we may
further
In a broader
?
to world
Plato
is not a thinker hostile
were
to be
intermediate
and
which
conceptions
Aristotle's
thinker
would
make
?
least
a
very
sidered
tonism
beauty
note
that Plato
beauty,
tendency of fleeing the world,
was
late period of paganism,
during
?
?
a
as it can not be to us
is not to him
to be.
The
the
upon
dependent
of
order
perior
sense perception;
late
con
is sometimes
as manifested
in Neopla
not
Plato's.
It
thing
strictly
and merely
is true,
a su
depends upon
senses grasp.
That
beauty
perceptible
what
the
through
things
shining
aesthetic
is
reality, and sense perception
precisely
a mere abstraction.
As we have seen, the quality
devoid
of
it would
be
of a tone perceived mu
one
interde
quality always being
is like that of a form or a figure,
pendent with others. But the order, shining
sically
sions and
lute Good
is why
as he
at
them
transforming
standing behind
Plato,
in his
into aesthetic
our
through
sensuous
impres
points to an abso
is the source of being. That
perceptions,
all things and which
resorted
lecture about the Good,
to numbers,
to ma
? limit ? ?
a method
notion
of
thematics and to the Pythagorean
which,
was surprising
as we are told by Aristoxenus
on the testimony of Aristotle,
to many of the hearers who had come in order to
and disappointing
partake
?
of
goods
? like wealth,
health
and
strength.
VI.
ABOUT PROPORTIONS,
ARITHMETICAL,
GEOMETRICAL
HARMONIC AND
in polemics writh others I do not see why I ought
But having engaged
There
is in
to seize the opportunity
to polemize
against myself.
?
and there
a section devoted
to ? harmonic
Der Toncharakter
partition
?
?
a
rather peremptory
has been treated in
harmonic mean
the
way as
not
having
no
real musical
importance
as compared
with
? arithmetical
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to some extent exaggerated
and some
(p. 211 f.). I think that is
on
mean
we
if
reflect
coordi
Plato's
of
the
harmonic
made
be
may
nation
of these
mean?
so artificial
two means.
as it appears
a reversal
it is in a way
is not quite
the harmonic
Actually
proportion
from its definition
(on this see above, p. 8) but
an
and a derivation
of the arithmetical.
Take
reversed,
with
proportion
as
a
not
whole
yet
then 3:4.
The
arithmetical
as 2:3:4,
one mean,
and
suppose
first 2:3 and
(4:3:2), but by parts, reversing
in the reversed form being 3:2 and the second
first relation
them into one proportion,
for uniting
dividend
of 2 and 4, which
is 4, and accomplish
4:3 we must,
common
as we
proportion;
gives 6:4 and 4:3, i. e., 6:4:3,
of the outer terms
see, the relation
to the arithmetical
comparison
relation between
the
smallest
is also
in
reversed
we
which
with
started.
The
proportion
the two proportions
as
be
also
the
follows:
may
expressed
of the harmonic mean
is equal to the arithmetical
mean of
reciprocal value
values
the reciprocal
its reciprocal
by m,
take
the corresponding
a harmonic
precisely
which
multiplication
it is to be
of both
terms
outer
=
_L is
value
a
mean
the harmonic
(denoting
i?b~~); or as Proclus
says
in his
-1
193 B, if in a fourfold proportion
like ? =
_?, b
commentary,
b
d
is the arithmetical mean between a and d, c is the harmonic,
and vice-versa;
Timaeus
or again, 196 F, if we take the double and the
triple of one term, e. g., 1:2
mean
and 1:3, the arithmetical
of 1:2 will be the harmonic
of 1:3, and
term of
1:2 is the arithmetical
arithmetical
2:3:4
the major
as
the
4:5:6 will
It means
proportion
etc.
15:12:10,
produce
the interval
that,
Now
between
is now
in relation
e.g.,cgc'
third 4:5) c e g is replaced
but their order is reversed.
is replaced
the dividing
point
to the inferior;
mean
the same way
of
1:3.
In
produces
what does
the
harmonic
that mean
the extreme
tones remaining
to the upper what
it was
6:4:3,
musically?
the same,
in relation
? natural ?
c
or
c'
the
f
by
(admitting
es
c:
the
are
intervals
the same
by g
component
It is easy to see that
starting from two given outer terms which differ
e.
from
in
octave relation, or from 2:3, in fifth relation, we
one,
1:2,
g.,
by
find in every case the arithmetical
mean by
these terms by two
multiplying
the
mean
since
so,
arithmetical
half their
is, quantitatively,
(necessarily
sum)
and
thus we
harmonic
obtain
mean
2:3:4,
or 4:5:6,
etc.
On
the other
hand
we
find
the
the outer terms by the arithmetical
mean:
by multiplying
case
3
in
the
of
which
3:6, with 4 as harmonic mean;
by
1:2(= 2:4)
produces
5
in
case
the
of
which
2:3
12 as harmonic
10:15, with
produces
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is in a way derived from the arithme
proportion
the
musical
of it? As it preserves
is
what
the same
meaning
again
in reverse order, the harmonic
intervals
does not
component
proportion
?
?
more
render things
if we consider the component
intervals,
complicated
thus, the harmonic
mean;
tical. And
but
so if we
it does
3:4:6
is more
the whole;
consider
than
?complicated?
in the latter respect 6:4:3 or
and 15:12:10 or 10:12:15 more
indeed
2:3:4,
than 4:5:6.
mean
harmonic
seem
not to exclude
the method
of the
preferable
the scheme of partition
established
in Der Toncha
it would
Therefore
from
it must
rakter, ? 21 c). However
and we can still maintain
monic
tion
the arithmetical
by the latter
mean,
is the true ? har
connection
arithmetical
and harmonic
existing between
propor
an
illustrated
fact
that
the
interval
by
sequence which
is further
an arithmetical
represents
when
proportion
supposing
one if string lengths are
a harmonic
cies, produces
versa. Thus
c g c9 is 2:3:4
is 3:4:6
behind
?.
partition
The
take place
that the partition
as to
vibration
assumed,
frequen
and vice
as to frequencies
and 6:4:3 as to lengths, c f c9
and 4:3:2 as to lengths; c e g is 4:5:6 as to fre
frequencies
15:12:10 as to lengths, c es g is 10:12:15 as to frequencies
quencies
is precisely
and 6:5:4 as to lengths. That
the consequence
of the fact that,
and
relation
by string lengths, we are reversing not only the
frequenciens
the outer terms but also that between
between
every outer term
and
mean.
in replacing
the
Now
over
as there
just
of arithmetical
preponderance
proportion
to frequency numbers
a preponder
concede
representing
string lengths. For this there is an evident
the harmonic,
ance over numbers
reason which
is, that string lengths are not
are vibrations;
therefore
production
as
by lengths
that string
is
our
to be
lengths
of
perception
auditory
the eye
sense.
is not
is the ear,
a
exists
we must
It
rather
considered
so directly
connected
with
sound
the representation
as derivative.
We
of
sounds
the
are perceived
is
vibrations
seems
capable
i .e., it is not
of
add
may
whereas
eye,
organ,
by another
? of
a ? continuation
in a way
in this connection
to note
important
that
struck
our
that
to simple ratios as
reaction
spontaneous
as
ear
faced with
the
when
in the same way
ear
ratios as 1:2 or 2:3 (see above, p- 5). Thus we may find that the musical
more qualitatively
than the eye; and yet colour as perceived
by
perceives
This
of quality!
instance of the notion
the eye is the classical
apparent
contradiction
is of course
solved
by recognizing
that
the notion
of quality
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may be a little different
member
of a system in whose
erection we take an active
in the
inherent
part (cf. above,
we
not
mean
that
erect
that
it
the other
does
35;
may
p.
yet
arbitrarily);
are
more
remote.
of which
the foundations
is a quality
infinitely
over the harmonic,
and
But whilst
arithmetical
prevails
proportion
over
there
is an affinity
numbers
string
lengths,
prevail
frequency
as
as
between har
well
and frequencies,
arithmetical
between
proportion
that of the two
It is not to be doubted
and lengths.
proportion
as
c g c9 and c f c0 the former is spontaneously
tone relations
judged
as c e g
more
smooth and ? simple ? than the latter, as well
natural,
the
c es g; now in every case the first is producing
when
compared with
are
in
these
and
ratios when
numbers;
by frequency
expressed
simpler
monic
Yet
as he
of
Zarlino
? harmonic
aware
pared
He
harmonic,
more
and
adversaries
precisely
of
dispute
be
and
cases
there
is
should
not
like
to
to
aware
both
be
of
lengths,
string
supposing
gave
the
beautiful
chord
12:
10 by
string
with
is only
intervals
and
we
it on
frequency
by
establishing
of
here
questions
the
comparison
that
interval
name
lengths),
rather
the
as
as derived
rather
to be
theory
considered
it.
from
I think
to
that
indeed
in
is analogous
relation
characterized
above:
a
of
something
between
is
chord
? musical
of
musical
modern
the
in
Yet
derivation.
I
?.
What
we
and
minor
chord
(as
its
true
perspective
if
theory
major
in general)
will
be
assume
than
if we
sequences
numbers,
or
proportion
and
reversal
a
in
that
rights,
equal
harmonic
?
the minor
whether
question
something
introduce
between
base
in
the Greeks
? dualism
harmonic
?
settled
arithmetical
between
of
the major
could
that
proud
to which
beautiful
the
this
around
as a counterpart
this
twice
in a word,
adherents
turns
is
he
is very
31)
proportion.
(15:
major
is not
He
chord
the minor
(6: 5: 4).
produces
proportion
as com
on arithmetical
on
the
proportion
secondary:
relying
numbers.
with
as compared
on
and
frequency
lengths
string
between
the dispute
as is known,
Now
thinker.
than
humanist
arithmetical
that
of harmonic,
proportion
obtains
with
is,
the
taking
?, he
the
III
(Istituzioni
and
does,
whereas
not
of arithmetical,
form
the
string
ought
lengths.
Let us yet recall a curious
established
Arithmetics
parallel
by Boetius,
II 45 (probably
to
as
to
arithmetical
and har
according
Nicomachus),
monic
He
the arithmetical
mean
to the rule of
proportion.
compares
a few men,
because
smaller
2:3:4
i. e., oligarchy,
e. g., in
numbers,
here
ratio is with
the
the greater
is the greater
ratio and 3:4 the
smaller (we see that a quantitative
of ratio is intruding here).
conception
The
or the rule of
to
is
harmonic
aristocracy
proportion
compared
the best men,
because
e. g.,
3:6
in 2:3:6
here
2:3
the greater
is the greater ratio.
ratio
is with
larger numbers,
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39
it to a
mean?
the geometrical
Boetius
compares
? state, because
the ratio
is the same
here
equalized
Other
and the smaller numbers,
as, e- g., in 4:6:9.
popular
the greater
with
have
stated
writers
of
SCALE
about
? or
?
?TIMAEUS?
use
is not made
the geometrical
proportion
In fact when
is surely right in a large measure.
we never attain a higher unity, whether
two
equal intervals
a ninth, or two whole
two fifths which produce
tones of 8:9
in music.
that
That
juxtaposing
it may be
lead to an interval
which
? contented with itself ? but
clearly not
pointing
sense the replacement
to a further progression,
64:81.
of 64:81
(In this
? a third
two
of
and
whole
4:5
8:9
9:10 ?
tones,
by
composed
unequal
means
that the third is ? closing ? on itself). This
illustrates
the general
principle
harmony
the reverse
As
of
the principle,
touched
on above,
mean
the geometrical
is known,
of
? harmonic
is
?.
partition
to the square root of the
tones
of two given
the middle
is equal
terms, and finding
this root from the product
to
extracting
corresponds
not a square number,
As this product
is, in general,
the outer
of
product
a
in inner agreement,
form
that different
things, when being
an octave);
it
(as, e. g., the fifth and the fourth
forming
their
numbers.
this will
lead
of
to
the fact
with
in correspondence
that it would be a tour de force (yet not a musical
featl) to sing the pre
a
or
In practice geometrical
fifth.
and,
of a fourth
cise middle
proportion
a
external
where
root
is
extraction
then,
compromise
purely
applied only
As in this case
in the sense of temperament.
tones is established
between
irrational
we
it means
that we
the outer
terms
must
We
in the octave,
I do not
think
what
tone
whole
not
have
derives
able
from
idiosyncrasy,
his
Therefore
twelve
equal
events
all
(At
?!). Yet if we
from
the fact
that he
is, after
manner
the
of deriving
that he would
(apart
In fact Aristoxenus
this kind of root)than done by Plato, by subtracting
otherwise
this means
and
relations,
with
not
like
he does
statement
etc., must
of
to calculate
the fifth,
tone
of
extraction
2.
is ? qualitative
see that even he does not think
tone, not
the whole
the
in it that
is much
there
says, we
in this artificial
to consonant
octave,
from
he
been
the fourth
of
with
proportion
geometrical
as 1:2, i. e., it means
related
with his assertion
that Aristoxenus,
is not far from that conception.
admit
half-tones
consider
equal intervals,
thirteen members,
a
have
being
twelfth degree
the root of
into twelve
to be divided
that has
the octave
start from
is exactly
this
and
numbers;
not
that
be
the only
to connect
a whole
taken
all, going back
that, by some kind
difference
numerical
ratios.
the
sixth
part
of
an
sense,
but
only
as
an
them with
tone
in a genetical
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to him the Whole
the ?ixth of
approximation:
tone.
as the sixth part of the octave represents a whole
Indeed
tone to smaller
is
intervals Aristoxenus
from the whole
in proceeding
external
an octave,
more
he speaks of halves,
thirds
in the pure line of distance
equalization;
in his mind
of a tone being
the
and fourths of a whole
tone, a quarter
non minus ultra. Yet it is not imaginable
how he could have determined
smallest
these
this realm
are mor?
ratios, we
obvious
than
otherwise
magnitudes
of minim
intervals and,
than
by approximation.
of complicated
accordingly,
in the domain
? normal
of
Indeed
in
and
not
? intervals
to pure distance
but it is rather a question
of
appreciation;
as
than
of
in
case
this
we
not
have
the
obvious
estimating
determining,
to rely. This
is
points of support imposed by simpler ratios, upon which
what could be said in answer to the
wThether
knew
Aristoxenus
question
reduced
of equalized
However
temperament.
is, in the strictly musical
sense, a field where procedure
even
takes
and
is
essential:
it is our series of fifths
by equal steps
place
?
?. Indeed here a differs as much
the different musical
producing
qualities
e
as
from d by its quality
from a. Yet that is not a musical
complex
sense but only a system
in the proper
such: we may
say that
underlying
an
infinite
sector of
there
a
steps being given, we appropriate
to our symmetrical
tendency
(cf. above,
? three
same
Plato's
with
that it is the
by uniform
it according
progression
it and dispose
we may remember
?
in the opinion
of Proclus
193 B, the
powers of 2 and 3
representing,
?
which
embraces ? the harmonic and the arithme
geometrical
proportion
a
is
this
of
musical
tical;
background
reality, as is our series of fifths
p.
Here
18).
so much
which
has
been
Two
and
its powers
calumniated
we
can,
have
seen,
agree with Greek
strictly musical
sense). We must
? rule is not
or * equalized
with musical
compatible
state that a single tone
the other hand, we must
?
? in which
it takes its place.
community
P.
of
a
shed
S. 1. This
paper
in
treats
which
scussion,
keep
? Dioniso
in mind
same
believes
only
(1 3 9 27) with
completed
Note
Tiby,
?, Bollettino
the
as he
was
paper
Ottavio
by
The
that,
in order
its
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colleague,
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confesses
candidly
these difficulties?
training,
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