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Sharples on dead people, Swain on Lucian
R. W. Sharples (University College London): More on dead people
LCM 17.5 (May 1992), 74
I am pleased that my remarks (‘On Chrysippus, Sophocles, and dead people who aren't there
any more’, LCM 16. 6 [Jun. 1991], 91-2) have prompted H. J. Blumenthal’s interesting comments on the
use of Odyssey 11. 602 by the Neoplatonists (Pronouns, dead persons, and some Neoplatonists’, LCM
17. 4 [Apr. 1992], 64). I would like, however, to clarify one point. I entirely agree with Dr Blumethal's
comment that the atrés of 602 is not so much an indication of the unsuitability fof the demonstrative
to accompany a dead person, as a function of the need to explain the juxtaposition of earlier and later
views of the dead Heracles’ location by defining one of them as the real one.’
I did not intend to suggest that aÿrés
here was an example of the restriction of the
demonstative pronoun to living people; rather, after referring to this in connection with the
demonstatives oöros and fe, I went on to compare the insistence of Plato’ Socrates in Phaedo 115c
that his dead body will not be his real self, and in that context to mention cases, including that in
the Odyssey passage, where there is an issue over where the real self is located. aúrós came into
the discussion simply as an indicator of which is the real self in these cases. (This was indeed
noted by Erwin Rohde, who spoke of the distinction between an elôwAor and the fully animated
aurds; Psyche, English tr. by W. B. Hillis, New York 1966, vol.1, p. 53 n. 79) As for other
demonstratives, I noted that Socrates in the Phaedo is quite happy to refer to the corpse he will
have left behind by the remote demostrative éxeivos.
I take, indeed, the point that the insertion of Odyssey 11. 602 has only been prompted by the
need to reconcile two versions of the myth; but that does not affect the fact that the word aërés could
be used to contrast the real self with what was not the real self — whether by Homer or by
Onomacritus — and it was the possibility of that contrast that was the only point of my comparison
with the Phaedo passage. Dr Blumental's citation of Plotinus Enneads 4. 3. 27 indeed shows that the
lines could be utilised to make a philosophical point, in spite of their dubious origin.
Copyright © 1992 R. W. Sharples
Simon Swain (All Souls’ College, Oxford): Antonius Diogenes and Lucian LCM 17.5 (May 1992), 74-76
According to Photius (Bibl. 111ab32ff.) the novel of Antonius Diogenes called The
Incredible Things Beyond Thule was the ‘source and root’ of Lucian’s True History. It is unlikely
that Photius means this literally. The statement also applies to the lost work called the
Metamorphoses of Lucius of Patrae, of which the anonymous extant Lucius or Ass is an abridgement.
Photius’ summary of Antonius has no trace of metamorphosis. Hence, as is correctly argued by J. R.
Morgan (CQ 3511985], 475-490), Photius is talking in terms of chronology, believing as he did that
Antonius was writing much earlier than Lucian and Lucius, about the time of Alexander the Great
(Morgan p. 490).
Antonius’ novel may be second century in date, if the two 2nd-3rd century papyri (PS11177; P.
‘Oxy. 3012) are anything to go by. He might still be a target of Lucian’s humour. However, as Morgan
‘argues (p. 490), Lucian’s (literary) parody fends not to be aimed at contemporaries. Certainly, Lucian does
say that his targets in the True History are the ‘poets, historians and philosophers of old (rüv rada»,
1.2). And this appears to be largely the case, even though in the second book of the True History literary
parody gives way to more familiar targets of Lucian’s, the cultural stars like Socrates and Homer who
are gently mocked as a way of mocking their imitators in Lucian’s own age.
If there is no direct relationship between Antonius and Lucian, they may at any rate have
had comparable aims. According to Photius (111a34-40), ‘Antonius says of himself that ronrfs
éort Kapwdlas malards and that, even if he is inventing incredible lies (dmora Kai pevén
wAdtrot), he does however have for most of his fiction the testimonies of older writers, from whom
he compiled these things with much effort. He lists at the start of each book the men who have
described such things before, so that his incredible stories should not seem to be without authority.
Of recent translators Morgan alone (p. 482) takes rounris dor: Kapmdlas madaràs as ‘he is
a poet of Old Comedy’. Henry in the Budé Photius has ‘le narrateur d’une intrigue ancienne’,
obyoE
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explaining in a note that ‘il va de soi qu'il ne s’agit pas, à cette époque tardive, de la comédie
ancienne’, but ‘on donne ce nom [raya] à des satires ou à des contes fantastiques qui n’avaient pas
de démonstration propre’.! Henry is followed by Sandy in Reardon’s very useful recent edition of
English translations.2 Who is right? Henry’s assertion about «wuw6la goes back to Rohde? Rohde
was writing before the accumulation of epigraphical evidence revealing a healthy interest by
second sophistic Greeks in putting on productions of established comedies and in the composition of
new ones.‘ So, although The Incredible Things beyond Thule is set in the distant past (cf. the
reference to Aenesidemus, the early 5th century tyrant of Leontini, at 110a6), there is really no
reason to take malaıd xwuqdlaas an ‘ancient story’; Antonius says, as Morgan has it, that he is a
poet of Old Comedy.
‘Poet of Old Comedy’ makes one think of Aristophanes, still widely read in the second
sophistic.3 Morgan, rejecting Reyhl’s notion that Antonius was referring to comedies written by
himself, says rightly that the statement need only refer to the Incredible Things and suggests that
it meant that Antonius’ novel contained obscenities which Photius suppressed or ‘fantastic parody’
that he did not understand
$ The real explanation may be a little different.
The narrative structure of The Incredible Things beyond Thule is immensely complex. It
consists of boxes within boxes. There is a covering letter to Antonius’ sister, Isidora, apparently
itself covered by another letter to one Faustinus; there is another letter relating the discovery of
the tablets on which the story was allegedly written down; there is Alexander the Great who
found them; thereafter a string of narrators — Erasinides from Cymbas from Deinias from Dercyllis
from Mantinias — who relate the story through each other. This overblown structure begins to look
like parody in itself.” That the piling on of details should not be taken seriously is confirmed by
the top layer of covering, the letter to Faustinus, where Antonius makes the statement that he has
‘for most of his fiction the testimonies of older writers, from whom he compiled these things with
much effort’ (110a36-38). Antonius overtly signifies that his complex chain of narrators is bogus and
no guarantee of the truth, and happily admits that the ‘discovery’ of the Incredible Things is his
own fictional use of the trite idea of Bücherfund.®
It is worth noting that Apuleius in The Golden Ass also piles on contradictory details of the
geographical origin of his first-person source, the narrator Lucius who had been transformed into an
ass.? We are not supposed to be able to tell where Lucius came from. In the True History Lucian
invites us to believe initially that he depends closely on sources: ‘I would cite [my sources] by name,
were they not recognisable to yourself as you read’ (1. 1); the invitation has not gone unheeded.!0
However, the labour is a fruitless one, for as Lucian says at 1. 4, ‘since I had nothing true to relate,
TR. Henry, Photius. Bibliothèque II (Paris 1960), 147.
2G. N. Sandy, in B. P. Reardon (ed.), Collecfted Ancient Greek Novels (Berkeley 1989), 781 (‘the author of an
ancient story’).
3 E. Rohde, Der griechische Roman und seine Vor laúfer? (Leipzig 1914), 270 (251) n. 2, 377 (351) n. 1 (for
Rohde’s later suspicions that Antonius was a comic actor in his own play see L. di Gregorio, Aevum 42 [1968],
199 n. 1).
4 Though he knew of some examples — op. cit. 270 (251) n. 2 (Antonius’ «wuwöla is ‘viellecht wörtlich zu
nehmen’); some of the best evidence for the vibrancy of the festivals comes from victory inscriptions for the
Theban Mouseia, which attest prizes inter alia for actors of old tragedy and old comedy (i. e. classical
material) and both composition of and acting in new comedy and new tragedy (i. e. new productions; see A.
Schachter, Cults of Boeotia II (BICS Suppl. 38. 2, London 1986), 176-8, nos xvi (IG VII. 1773), xvii (SEG 3. 334).
5 Though perhaps not always with ease: cf. Plutarch, Quaest. conviv. 712a on Old Comedy requiring
commentaries.
6 Morgan 483; K. Reyhl, Antonius Diogenes: Untersuchungen zu den Roman-Fragmenten der ‘Wunder
jenseits von Thule’ und zu den ‘Wahren Geschichten’ des Lukian (Diss. Tübingen 1969), 6 (though note 114
‘Damit charakterisiert Antonius Diogenes auch seine Apista’); cf. di Gregorio loc. cit. in n. 3.
7 Cf. J.J. Winkler, Auctor and Actor (Berkeley 1985), 270.
8 It could be argued that Antonius is merely saying that there are parallels among older writers for the sort of
adventures his heroes have, rather than for specific adventures; this seems rather unlikely.
9 Met. 1.1 Hymettos Attica et Isthmos Ephyraea et Taenaeros Spartiatica . . . mea vetus prosapia est . . [2]
Thessaliam nam et illic originis maternae nostrae fundamenta a Plutarcho . . . prodita.
10 Notably by A. Stengel, De Luciani Veris Historiis (Diss. Rostock 1911).
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never having had any interesting adventures, I turned to lying but of a far more honest kind than we
see in others. For in this one respect I shall at least be telling the truth, when I declare that I am a
liar”. If Lucian has used earlier authors, it is not as sources but as targets.11 There is no reason to
think that he is really following them in details.
At True History 1. 29 Lucian and his companions pass close to Cloudcuckooland. ‘1 thought
of the poet Aristophanes, a wise man and a truthful one whose compositions are disbelieved for no
reason’. Aristophanes is singled out for praise by Lucian because he had never pretended that his
fantastic comedies were grounded in material reality. Herein may lie a parallel between Lucian
and Antonius Diogenes. Both claim to be liars. Lucian says that his ‘sources’ were out-and-out liars
who nevertheless professed to tell the truth, with the exception of one, Aristophanes, the inventor
of Cloudcuckooland, who like Lucian himself was an honest fabricator. Antonius also totally
undermines the authority of his ‘sources’ by putting forward a quite contradictory line of
information (The only literary ‘source’ mentioned by name in Photius’ summary, Antiphanes of
Berge, is slighted as ‘having spent too much time writing up marvels'.12). When Antonius asserts,
then, that he is ‘a poet of Old Comedy’ he is once again staking a claim as an honest fabricator and
is underlining that his Incredible Things is as intentionally parodic as Lucian’s True History.
Copyright © 1991 Simon Swain
Llewelyn Morgan (Ursinus): ‘Quantum sat erit’: epic, acne and the Fourth Eclogue
LCM 17. 5 (May 1992), 76-79
cum canerem reges et proelia. Cynthius aurem
uellit et admonuit ‘pastorem, Tityre, pinguis
pascere oportet ouis. deductum dicere carmen.’
nunc ego — namque super ttibi erunt qui dicere laudes,
Vare, tuas cupiant et tristia condere bella —
agrestem tenui meditabor harundine Musam
Ecl. 6. 2-8
The Augustan recusatio assumes an intimate correlation between political encomium and
epic. Whether this reflects real pressure on Augustan poets to compose epics in praise of their
patrons is a moot point. Certainly Virgil is not shy of contradicting himself: only 14 lines before the
quoted passage we see Menalcas signalling Callimachean loyalties (cf. Callim. Aet. fr. 1. 29ff. Pf)
and dedicating himself in perpetuity to the laudatio of Julius Caesar, all in the very same breath:
dumque thymo pascentur apes, dum rore cicadae,
semper honos nomenque tuum laudesque manebunt.
Ecl. 5. 77-8
Nevertheless, fiction or not, the equation of epic and panegyric is a durable and important
theme in Augustan verse, as is evinced by its regular reappearance in the work of Horace and
Propertius, and elsewhere.’ If nothing else it served as a convenient peg on which to hang their
championship of the literary ideals of the Hellenistic age.
!
In the context of a poetic ethos which (officially) abjured epics and encomia the 4th Eclogue
appears doubly aberrant, Not only is it entirely panegyrical, but it also seems to constitute an abject
capitulation both to the travesty of epic represented by reges et proelia? and to the genuine article.: at
31ff., for example, a renascent Heroic Age envisioned by the poet duplicates not the original Heroic Age
itself so much as the particular heroic deeds commemorated in epic verse. The passage is essentially
Hesiodic in derivation, a distance descendant of the homily at Op. 106ff. on mankind’s progressive
decline, of which the pernicious occupations of farmers, warriors and merchant seamen were supposed to
be symptomatic; but its significance extends beyond the purely moralistic. Thetis (32) — as the mother of
Achilles and wife of Peleus — anticipates more explicit references in 34 (Tiphys, Argo) and 36 (Troy,
11 For the method of Lucian’s parody cf. Piscator 6 (‘where else do I get the things I say, if not from yourselves, etc.?’)
12112a5-6: dv gnaw [Antonius] repl rovabrá tiva TeparoloyMuaTa Kareoxokarevaı.
1 Hopkinson, A Hellenistic Anthology, Cambridge 1988, pp. 98ff.
2 We have wars (bella 35, cf. 6.7; Troiam 36), heroes (16, 26, 35; Achilles 36), even a king (reget 17, occupying a
position before the caesura corresponding to reges 6. 3).
SWAIN Simon, Antonius Diogenes and Lucian : LCM XVII 1992 74-76. | When
Antonius asserts that he is a « poet of Old Comedy » (Photius, Bibi. 111 a 3440), he is staking a claim as an honest fabricator and is underlining that his
Incredible things beyond Thule is as intentionally parodic as Lucian's True
history.