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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)AUGLY, P.
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Did the Greeks Discover the
irrationals?
PHILIP HUGLY AND CHARLES SAY WARD
A popular view is that the Greeks discovered that there were irrational numbers, e.g., the positive square root of two. The idea is that
there is something in our geometry which forces us to acknowledge
the square root of two. The ‘forcing’ is, of course, not some kind of
physical compulsion. No one supposes it is. Rather the idea is that
we see something which shows that there must be a number the
square of which is two.
Bertrand Russell expresses this view:
it was Pythagoras why discurciet ihe ccisience uf Hicuitinensurables, and, in particular, the incommensurability of the side of a
square and the diagonal. If the length of the side is 1 inch, the
number of inches in the diagonal is the square root of 2, which
appeared not to be a number at all.'
Friedrich Waismann also expresses this view:
... that the rational numbers, even though sown infinitely dense,
still do not cover the entire number axis, is the great discovery of
Pythagoras. He first recognized that there are numbers which,
«x though completely different from the rational-numbers,.
are still
related to them. We will illustrate this extraordinary discovery by
constructing a square on an interval of length 1 and drawing a
diagonal in this square. Our intuition tells us that this diagonal
must have a very definite length. Let us try to compute it.
According to the theorem of Pythagoras the square of the diagonal is equal to the sum of the squares of the two legs of the right
triangle, therefore 2. Consequently the diagonal has a length V2.’
Against this we shall argue that geometry forces nothing, that nothing which one sees when one carries out geometrical demonstrations
compels one to speak in terms of a number the square of which is
two, and that this situation does nor change when one brings what
is seen from the mathematics of rational numbers.
* Russell, Bertrand, Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy
(London:
G. Allen & Unwin, 1919), 4.
* Waismann, Friedrich, futroduetion to Mathematical Thinking
(New-
York: Harper Torchbooks, 1959), 5-6.
Philosophy 74 1999
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)Irrationals?
A popular view is that the Greeks discovered that there were irrational numbers, e.g., the positive square root of two. The idea is that
there is something in our geometry which forces us to acknowledge
the square root of two. The ‘forcing’ is, of course, not some kind of
physical compulsion. No one supposes it is. Rather the idea is that
we see something which shows that there must be a number the
square of which is two.
Bertrand Russell expresses this view:
It was Pythagoras who discovered the existence of incommensurables, and, in particular, the incommensurability of the side of a
square and the diagonal. If the length of the side is 1 inch, the
number of inches in the diagonal is the square root of 2, which
appeared not to be a number at all.1
Friedrich Waismann also expresses this view:
... that the rational numbers, even though sown infinitely dense,
still do not cover the entire number axis, is the great discovery of
Pythagoras. He first recognized that there are numbers which,
though completely different from the rational numbers, are still
related to them. We will illustrate this extraordinary discovery by
constructing a square on an interval of length 1 and drawing a
diagonal in this square. Our intuition tells us that this diagonal
must have a very definite length. Let us try to compute it.
According to the theorem of Pythagoras the square of the diagonal is equal to the sum of the squares of the two legs of the right
triangle, therefore 2. Consequently the diagonal has a length √2.2
Against this we shall argue that geometry forces nothing, that nothing which one sees when one carries out geometrical demonstrations
compels one to speak in terms of a number the square of which is
two, and that this situation does not change when one brings what
is seen from the mathematics of rational numbers.
Russell, Bertrand, Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy (London:
G. Allen & Unwin, 1919), 4.
2
Waismann, Friedrich, Introduction to Mathematical Thinking (New–
York: Harper Torchbooks, 1959), 5–6.
Philosophy 74 1999
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)I. What the Greeks Came to See
The Greeks did some geometry and mathematics. They found out
some things about triangles and the rational solutions of certain
equations. But none of their results logically entail the existence of
irrational numbers.
The way the Greek discovery is sometimes put obscures this
point. It is sometimes said that what they found out was that where
a, b, and c are the lengths of the legs and hypotenuse of a right triangle, a2 + b2 = c2. And from this it directly follows that if a=b=1, c
is the square root of 2. And, of course, in some cases a=b=1. Clearly
this reasoning occurs in Waismann’s statement.
The reasoning is too quick. What the Greek geometricians
demonstrated was that the area of the square on the hypotenuse was
equal to the sum of the areas of the square on the sides. The equation did not come into it.
But did not they show that the area of the square on side a is a2
and the area of the square on side b is b2 and the area of the square
on side c is c2 and c2 is the sum of those other two square numbers?
No. The letters which enter into the geometric proof stand for
the sides of the triangle, not numbers. They are geometrical not
arithmetical variables. And what gets shown is something geometrical—it concerns squares whose sides are related in point of length as
are the sides of a right triangle. It is a proof about figures, not numbers. And so the notion of ‘sum’ which enters into the proof is not
the arithmetical one.
It is the notion of ‘sum’ we employ when we draw a square and
call it ‘A’ and then draw a diagonal and call the triangles thereby
formed ‘B’ and ‘C’ and then say that the area of A is the sum of the
areas of B and C. Arithmetic doesn’t enter into it at all.
So what we are saying is that the demonstration is about geometric figures, whereas the proof that the formula lacks a solution in the
rationals if a=b is about numbers, not figures.
We want to find out whether the Greeks discovered enough to
show them that there were numbers in addition to the integers and
fractions. So they didn’t as yet have a conception of the continuum
of real numbers. What they would have had available for connecting mathematics to geometry would have been the kind of counting
by units which we shall now sketch.
One can compare lines as longer and shorter, and compare areas
as greater or less, and that, so far, such comparisons are non-arithmetical. Also, we can and do combine lines with counting to yield a
new type of comparison. This is measurement, and it brings in the
arithmetical.
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)Suppose A takes a cord, pulls it tight, and cuts a section. A then
does the same, using the first cut section to cut a second section. A
then lays these end to end and uses them to cut a third section, and
says that this third cord is twice the length of the first cord. A could
then introduce a unit term by saying that the first cord is one U
long. Then the second cord, being equal in length to the first, is also
one U long, and the third cord is two U long.
In this way we count in terms of units. That brings arithmetic to
bear on lines.
Now suppose that four rods are lined up and prove equal in length,
each being one U long. A then arranges the rods in the form of a
square. This square outlines a certain area of ground. We might now
introduce a unit term for that area by saying that it is one U-square.
Suppose A next constructs a square using rods which are two U long.
That square will contain four of U-squares. And so forth. In general, if A constructs a square and can mark off its sides into n equal portions each one U long, then the square will comprise n2 U-squares.
In such ways as this we bring numbers into connection with figures as well as lines—and thereby form an amalgam of arithmetic
and geometry.
Now let us consider the squares on the side of a right triangle,
and—to keep things simple—the integers. Suppose that for each
such triangle there is some unit U such that each side of the triangle is some integer multiple of U long. That is, suppose that there
is a unit U and integers a, b and c such that the sides of the right
triangle are respectively a U long and b U long and the hypotenuse
is c U long. Then the areas of the squares on those legs will comprise a2 U-squares and b2 U-squares. Then the geometrical insight
that the area of the square on the hypotenuse equals the sum of
areas of the squares on the legs can be applied to yield the result that
the square on the hypotenuse will comprise a2+b2 U-squares. But we
have supposed also that the hypotenuse is c U long. If so, the square
on the hypotenuse comprises c2 U-squares. So, these integers a, b,
and c are so related that a2+b2=c2.
Consider next the case of a=b, that is, a right triangle with sides
of equal length. It is easy to prove that if a=b, then there is no integer c such that a2+b2=c2.
This refutes the claim that in general there will be a unit U and
integers a, b, and c such that the legs and hypotenuse of a right triangle are respectively of lengths a U, b U and c U.
And this is what the Greeks came to see.
We can now say that given a unit U and integers a and b such that
the sides are a U long and b U long, no integer measures the
hypotenuse in terms of U.
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)And since whatever can be expressed by a unit U and fractions n/i
and m/j can also be expressed in terms of a unit U* and integers nj
and mi, the argument holds for all rationals, not just the integers.
On this analysis the result is only that no rational number measures the hypotenuse in units in terms of which rational numbers
measure the sides. It is just a negative result.
That cannot show us that there nevertheless is a number which
measures the hypotenuse.
The central point can be put this way. No number measures anything on its own. Numbers measure only relative to units of measurement. And there certainly are units of measurement relative to
which rational numbers measure the hypotenuse of a right triangle.
Any line can be taken as the unit for a system of measurement, and
any line can be divided into two lines of equal length which then can
be taken as the unit for a system of measurement, and so forth.
So we certainly do not come to see that some lines are unmeasurable by rational numbers. Rather, what we come to see is that there
is no unit of length relative to which each of the sides of a right triangle is measured by rational numbers.
That is the result.
II. Definite Lengths
Again reflecting on the diagonal of a square whose side is one unit
in length, Waismann writes:
...there can be no doubt that the diagonal of the unit square has a
very definite length. If we think of this length as laid on the number axis with one end at 0, we obtain a point which is the geometrical representative of √2.3
What is it for something to have ‘a very definite length’? What
would it be for it to have a length, but not a definite one? Are we
here to think of a line which constantly changes in length? Clearly
not. Perhaps, then, ‘It has a definite length’ comes to ‘It has the
length that it has’ or, more simply, ‘It has a length’. On either reading the assertion ‘Every line has a definite length’ is a truism. How
does adding such an assertion to the results from geometry and
mathematics relevant to the case form a set of propositions entailing ‘There are irrational numbers’?
Waismann’s claim perhaps comes to this. Suppose we have laid
out a triangle, say with chalk on a blackboard. We carefully make
two sides, each one inch long, and set them at right angles. We then
Ibid., p.7
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)connect them with a third line. That third chalk line is right there
before our eyes. We see it. It has some one definite length. That
length is the square root of two inches!
Yes, the line is there—right before our eyes. And, if you will, it
has a definite length. But the question is whether it has a length in
inches. What we see is the line. Do we see that the line has a length in
inches? No—though the line is before our eyes, that it has a length
in inches is not before our eyes.
We may say that it does, but nothing which we see compels that
conclusion. So though one sees that it has some length, one does not
see that it has a length in inches.
What would it be to see that, for that to be the case? Surely it
would be to see that there is some number which measures its length
in inches. And all we have seen so far is that no rational number measures its length in inches if there are rational numbers which measure the length of the sides in inches. Certainly, that it has a definite
length is not enough to show that it has a definite length in inches.
III. Applied Geometry and Mathematics
So far we have argued that the geometry and mathematics of the situation are not enough to show that there is a positive square root of
two. But would not various practices of measurement force the
recognition of such irrational numbers as the square root of two?
After all, there is more to mathematics and geometry than pure
mathematics and geometry. There also are their applications.
We shall use a conversation to bring out the issues. In the following W is a person with the Russell/Waismann view. Our view is
voiced by S.
W. Look, I must make my measurements in some way. If I make my
measurement via a unit which measures the sides with rational
numbers, then I must assign to the hypotenuse an irrational length
if I stick with that unit. And if my measurement uses a unit in terms
of which a rational number measures the hypotenuse, then I must
assign to the sides an irrational length if I use that unit. So the irrational length cannot be avoided.
S. I think we’ve already dealt with this. What is true is that any way
you choose leaves something unmeasured by any rational. But nothing forces you to speak in terms of measurement by another sort of
number. You can simply work with an approximate measure.
Nothing in our practice will fall to pieces if we do so.
Suppose A is cutting rods to one foot lengths in order to weld
frames in the shape of isosceles right triangles. A asks B to cut rods
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)for the hypotenuse. B applies to 2 an operation for extracting roots,
carries it out three steps, and cuts the rods to the fractional length
in feet thus specified. The rods will probably fit just fine.
If greater accuracy is needed the calculation can be carried out as
many more steps as proves sufficient.
W. But won’t it smooth matters to bring in irrationals such as the
square root of 2?
S. Well, suppose that the rods for the sides are each one foot long.
We can then say that the rod for the hypotenuse is to be the square
root of 2 feet long. But we still can only approximate to the length of
the hypotenuse for cutting purposes.
We could say: Since the sides are each one foot long, we need a
rod 7/5 feet long.
Or we could say: Since the sides are each one foot long, we need
a rod which is the square root of 2 feet long.
W. But it is clear that ‘We need a rod 7/5 feet long’ and ‘We need a
rod the square root of 2 feet long’ say very different things.
S. We agree. The requests differ. But they play similar roles, and
acting on either produces much the same result. In each case what
we need is a rod roughly so and so many feet long.
W. But the hypotenuse has a specific length, not an approximate
length. To give its specific length you need an irrational number.
S. But you can specify its length without bringing in another kind
of number—you need only shift to another unit of measurement.
W. But look, given any unit of length U, we want to have a definite
answer to the question ‘How many Us long is this line?’
For the line has a definite length.
S. Well, it would be a definite answer to say that the line is 1·41
inches long.
W. But if the sides of the triangle are each one inch long, then the
answer ‘The hypotenuse is 1·41 inches long’ might be disconfirmed,
whereas the answer ‘The hypotenuse is the square root of two inches
long’ would not be disconfirmed.
S. Yes, but then perhaps the answer ‘The hypotenuse is 1·41421
inches long’ will be confirmed.
W. What that comes to is this: We select an answer that will do for
practical purposes and then say ‘about’. But what we want is a definite answer which says how long the line is.
But without the irrationals we will sometimes be able to answer
how many inches long the line is only with a statement of the form
‘About n/m inches long’. And since we are asking for its length, this
is no answer at all.
S. We agree that you want an answer of a certain form. But what
shows you that there is such an answer. The fact that the line has
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there is a non-approximative answer in terms of inches.
IV. An Analogy
Mathematics and geometry, together with their applications, do not
show us that there are irrational numbers, or compel our assent to
that proposition. This does not mean that it is unnatural to speak in
terms of a square root of two given what we can see. We suppose it
is natural enough to do so. And some people might want to so speak
because that would have further consequences they also want.
Here is an analogy.
It involves no error whatsoever to accept certain set theoretical
axioms but not the ‘power set’ axiom which says that for each set S
there is a set S´ the members of which are exactly the subsets of S.
A set theory less this sort of axiom would be ‘topped off’ with sets
which are one-one with the set of integers.
Of course, anyone who has felt the charm of working with higher
level sets will want the power set axiom.
People say: But if we do not accept that axiom then there are
enormously many results we cannot obtain! That of course is correct. Just as it is correct that if we remove the Queen from the game
of Chess then there are enormously many games which can be
played in standard Chess which we now cannot play. But the game
lacking the Queen is not in any way in error. This new game can be
said to lack something, but only in the way that every game lacks
something. The new game is not incomplete in any sense in which
standard Chess would be that game in a more complete form.
To this people will reply that games are only play whereas set
theory is serious, it aims at truth. And in dropping the power set
axiom we diminish our power to determine the truth about sets.
Perhaps, but there is nothing which we see within set theory less
the power set axiom which shows us that for every set there is a set
of all its subsets. The set theory without that axiom is not incomplete in any way which can be discerned from within.
To this it will be said that this of course is the case, that to see how
set theory without that axiom is incomplete we must stand outside
that theory and independently see that there is a power set for each
set there is.
Perhaps, but we certainly would want to be brought to that position from which such a thing can be seen. If we put ourselves in the
place of people who have set theory without that or any equivalent
axiom and then ask ourselves whether there is anything we would
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Ver en el PDF(se abre en una ventana nueva)then see which would show us that there must be, for each set, the
set of all its subsets, we would answer that we see nothing which
shows that.
The case with positive square root of two may seem different.
One might agree that the usual axioms for geometry and arithmetic
do not entail that two has a square root, but nonetheless insist that
when one works through the geometry one sees something which
shows us that there is that number. That is an illusion.
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